+
= Thailand Vet Denial
Consider this ..
DOD/Pentagon maintains an "Exposure List" ..
VA denies claims of those not on the list ..
Thailand is not on the list.
If they did spray herbicides in Thailand, then why isn't it on the list?
Simple Answer: Classified Secret!
.. for the past 35 years.
Rule (of Law) 26. General Provisions Governing Discovery;
Duty of Disclosure
.. is the government exempt from this rule?
Now, consider this ..
The injustice to an entire class of Vets
from Thailand estimated at over 250,000.
How many died of cancer
and complications from diabetes
that had their widow or claim denied?
Claims routinely denied because the claimant honestly
answered that they did not serve in Vietnam and therefore,
is not considered covered,ie, Thailand = Other Locations.
Until now, I felt that the Board of Veterans' Appeal Court was truly the guardian of
an incompetent, mediocre system ruled by an agency of the Executive Branch.
Now, I am just disgusted. How many in the military, this example, the U.S. Air Force,
the DOD and the agency given responsible knew about this legal issue? How many knew
that it was being covered up?
.. a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication
This is one of the exemption rules found in the air force FOIA guidelines.
If they feel that way about disclosure, than what happened with complete disclosure to
information that has been kept classified for 35 years that do not allow an impartial adjudication
of veteran's claims?
A week ago (October 17, 2007) I received a standard response letter from the contractor for
the DOD List which ended with, and I quote: "This list of locations may change if the DOD determines
there were additional locations where herbicides orange was used." Two things: (a) "DOD
determines" and (b) "herbicide orange was used."
FYI, I responded on October 27, 2007 with an email inquiring to the status of my update notification.
To date, no response.
You call the contractor responsible for the DOD list, notify them of location (Thailand) and dates (1968-1972)
and proceed to provide the details military installation locations only to be told that that would not be
necessary. Then you provide the official air force source which is none other than the Pentagon
office for secret documents; again, no response and then they speak of "determinining." Then
there is the old sysmatic game of terms, in this case, referring to the toxins as Agent Orange, or herbicide
orange, or some othe commonly use term such as "herbicides" alone.
Call the VA about this
and hear what they have to say.
The 800 phone no. associated with the
Agent Orange or DOD List is 800-749-8387.
DOD List phone call to update for Thailand.
11 Octboer 2007 @ 6:00 am PST
This is only the beginning .. repeat -
beginning
Follow-up with the "fox guarding the hen house" required.
DOD List Fax
See Article Background.
"On the backs of those that served.."
The Order of the Rose
Advocates like Tauran King and myself,
emphasized the scientific approach to the contamination that resulted from herbicide usage in an attempt
to provide well-grounded evidence, evidence that the government had all along in a classified "Secret" air force report
that today, except for the extract, remains "Secret." This scandal is worse than any Walter Reed Bldg 7
bullshit anyday.
Call 800-497-6261 M-F 9:00 am to 7:00 pm EST
It seems the DOD, or VA, or both have introduced a caveat or more exact, "carrot" for the
abuse of its so-called "DOD List" where herbicides were used.
See Article.
The Confrontation.
DOD List Contractor
DeployMed ResearchLink
BULLETIN: All military installations in Thailand *; U.S. personnel
were exposed to herbicides from 1968 thru 1972. * Except Metro Bangkok Area
See de-classified USAF CHECO report (Extract) that follows.
Why was Thailand Veterans betrayed
by our government and the V.A. given administration
of the disability benefits?
40 years of harrassment, denials, and remanded appeals.
The Truth.
In 1973, the Air Force prepares an historic CHECO report regarding
the military installations in Thailand and the use of herbicides
there.
All along, the VA/DOD are saying that there was only limited
herbicide testing in the mid-60's and not even near "U.S. personnel."
Why? Why did the government lie to us?
Was it the (compensation) money? Or, did they feel that we were truly expendable?
All those claims that were denied must be re-opened, paid handsomely with punative damages
back to the first day of diagnosis, and those deceased, their surviving spouses given the
10-year/total disability rule for DIC benefits. The government can not do enough
to correct this wrong.
How do you fix the lost integrity and poor treatment given to a generation of veterans?
How is it defined .. harrassment?
You were exposed to herbicides in Thailand. The law says the provisions
are specific to "service in Vietnam" and not Thailand. The DOD and
and the Air Force (and the State Department via the US Embassy ROEs) denies the storage
and use of herbicides in Thailand for the same function, ie, base perimeter defense.
No? JUSMACTHAI "Mission Policy on Base Defense,"
just declassified 3 Dec 2007!
National Security Council (Henry Kissinger) Memo on
"Use of Chemical Herbicides in War",
quote:
"Herbicides were used for all defense perimeters on military installations in S.E.A."
S.E.A. .. see S.E.A. Inference
(In Haas Ruling) .. Vietnam .. Thailand .. or Geneva for Laos and Cambodia = S.E.A.
Question: What was
Mr. Kissinger intent? .. only Vietnam or all S.E.A.???
Now, I've heard "herbicides" called "Agent Orange" or simply "Agents," but this is a
first -- "Chemical Herbicides." You know, you've been confronted with
a bureacrat with a conflict of interest, ie, "cya" that wants you to give the chemical
make up of something you were exposed to 40 years ago, or you are not talking about
a toxin covered by law and disability benefits.
If you would like to read more on "who knew what and when" from the White House
side of things (just declassified,)
Nixon Library.
Judicial
Discovery Procedure unlike anywhere else .. "Fox guarding the hen house."
You see, during your military service some 35-40 years ago, you were supposed to
be alert to your environment and what those above your pay grade were doing.
That's right. No excuse for "doing your job." You are hereby notified
that you must submit a "well-grounded" claim with all the details of evidence.
Don't have them? No excuse. You are being harrassed/abused by a
standard known as "the rules of law." And, if the V.A. (agency) does not like
what the court rules, well, hell -- just ignore it, or issue unlawful memos staying an action
without proper court filings.
That really isn't the harrassment part ..
.. that is the "abuse of authority" part.
Here comes the harrassment part: you, as a Thailand vet (without direct service in Vietnam,
visitation either) will have your disability claim summarily denied and placed in an artificial
backlog for appeal. Articificial .. in that the agency, if they did their job,
would find in favor* of the veteran based upon the total claim information filed; granted and
save the veteran from financial hardship.
* Benefit of the Doubt Doctrine; reform of VCAA/2000 by President Clinton
Now, you are going to read more about Thailand vet claims appealed and either granted because
the VA adjudicator did not do his job, or remanded for additional (unfound) information, ie,
harrassment. Oh, I'm sure "fraud" is in there somewhere, but that is the 1 in a 1,000
claims while the other 999 proper claims go either unheard or denied or refused (remanded) and
you find yourself right back where you started and either (a) intimidated, or (b) give up (and die.)
If you are a strong person, you may not die right away, but accumulate a lot of debt
living on borrowed time.
USAF CHECO Report (Extract)
SEA Declassifition & Review Team
"Releaseable Extract" 21 Sep 2007
.. 30 years after the War
Still, as late as June 30, 2005, a senior ranking member of the House of Representatives
is lied to by Air Force authority as to the use of herbicides in
Thailand.
Why is that? 13 years, 4 months ago, the report that was classified "Secret" was de-classified,
but no one reference it for the benefit of the Thailand veterans. Why?
May be the government had some sort of excuse when the document was classified, but after 1994, that
excuse is out the window too! Anyway you slice it, the American veteran has been lied to and betrayed.
Extract (of a report) means that, in this case, the AFDO (Air Force Declassification Office)
and the AFOSI (Air Force Office of Special Investigations) at the Pentagon have released only parts of
the report and the remainding parts are still classified, in 2007. You may wonder why
this is the case and there is no obvious answer. If it wasn't for Kurt's FOIA, we probably
wouldn't know what we know today.
What you can do ..
Please call the 800 phone no and report what I already have. At least, until the VA gets
a revised list from the DOD. I do not feel comfortable with "just reporting" the matter myself.
In fact, whether your disability claim is up for appeal or initial filing, submit the extract
pages with your claim until the VA gets the message: herbicides were used in Thailand (extensively.)
Ten years after the fact ..
Is it a coincidence, or a concerted effort to deny benefits to veterans
for an additional ten years by delaying the obvious? For instance,
the
New York Times
reported in 1991 that the
V.A. was planning to add diabetes, type II, to the list of diseases covered under
the presumptive exposure provision. It did not happen for another ten years.
See VA Newsletter.
The de-classification of the key report was (supposedly) to be done ten years earlier.
Why didn't that happen? What was so important, except
the equivalent of exculpatory evidence in favor of the Thailand veteran?
Some of you may not consider this matter criminal. I do.
They stole the life out of those that sacrified themselves and served our country and
lost their dignity when they could no longer sustain a decent standard of living and
had to become the charity of some other system, or quietly disappear .. something the
V.A. would love to see happen.
Latest twist regarding presumptive diseases is hypertension. Will it take
another ten years before it is affirmed and eligible for disability compensation?
1984 Class-Action Settlement
A mission to right wrongs
Admiral Elmo “Bud” Zumwalt Jr. contacted me several years after the 1984 settlement, shortly after I had represented the first plaintiff to win a jury verdict in a case involving exposure to Agent Orange. The “Admiral,” as we called him, had served as a commander of the U.S. forces in Vietnam and later as chief of naval operations and a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the Vietnam War. His son, Elmo Zumwalt III, served as a lieutenant captain on a riverboat in Vietnam and was exposed to a significant amount of Agent Orange. When Elmo III was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, a type of cancer associated with Agent Orange exposure, the Admiral made it
his mission to gain compensation for victims of the herbicides that he had ordered to be sprayed. His son died of the illness in 1988.
As part of his effort, Admiral Zumwalt had organized the Agent Orange Coordinating Council, comprising various veterans service groups and providing a forum to coordinate their interests in
representing the Vietnam veterans who had been affected by Agent Orange. The council advocated compensation from the Department of Veterans Affairs,
the recognition of a connection between herbicide exposure and cancers and other health problems,
and ways to hold the manufacturer of the chemicals accountable for the injuries—beyond the nuisance-value settlement. The Admiral asked me to represent the council pro bono.
The 1984 settlement had already been challenged once—unsuccessfully. In 1989 and 1990, two class actions were filed in Texas courts (later removed to federal court in New York and consolidated)—Ivy v. Diamond Shamrock Chemicals Co. and Hartman v. Diamond Shamrock Chemicals Co.—on behalf of veterans who were afflicted with cancer after the original settlement.
The new actions alleged that the Agent Orange agreement impermissibly settled cases for plaintiffs who had suffered no cognizable injuries by the settlement date.
The federal district court—and, on appeal, the Second Circuit—concluded that the plaintiffs had been treated no differently from those plaintiffs who had suffered injuries before the settlement. According to the district court, “Class action settlements simply will not occur if the parties cannot set definitive limits on defendants’ liability.” The court said that making settlements “too difficult will work harms upon plaintiffs, defendants, the courts, and the general public.”
In essence, the rights of potential future plaintiffs were trumped by the “interests of presently injured plaintiffs, as well as defendants,
in achieving a settlement.” (Ryan v. Dow Chem. Co., 781 F. Supp 902, 920 (E.D.N.Y. Oct. 4, 1991) (Ivy/Hartman I).)
The Second Circuit concurred, stating that the deprivation of an individual’s constitutional rights was justified by “society’s interest in the efficient and fair resolution of large-scale litigation.” (In re “Agent Orange” Prod. Liab. Litig., 996 F.2d 1425, 1435.)
[Attorneys general] for all 50 states, plus the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico, signed on to another amicus brief asking the Supreme Court to hear the case. The Court, however, denied the petition, and the matter appeared to be closed.
Source: Knocking Down Windmills
See also NVLSP Article Library
Amicus curiae Trial Lawyers for Public Justice addresses the following issue:
Whether the failure of the proponents of the Agent Orange class action to issue adequate notice to class members who had only unmanifested, “future” injuries provides an alternative basis for refusing to preclude absent class members with such injuries from pursuing claims for such injuries after they developed.
Dow Chemical v. Stephenson before U.S. Supreme Court
Argument - THE AGENT ORANGE CLASS ACTION SETTLEMENT CANNOT PRECLUDE THE RESPONDENTS’ PERSONAL INJURY CLAIMS BECAUSE RESPONDENTS DID NOT RECEIVE CONSTITUTIONALLY ADEQUATE NOTICE OF THE CLASS ACTION.
Other Potential Remedies
The GAO, as we soldiers would put it, is not "just another pretty face." No. Besides
the wonderful audits that they perform on behalf of the American people, they also provide Congress with professional
advice on how to handle sensitive situations for such matters as future appropriations.
April, 2005 (by coincidence when I filed my disability claim now in limbo,) the GAO advised Congress on some alternatives to
"inclusion" of civilian personnel exposed to agent orange in Vietnam. Well, the suggestions were so
appropriate and fitting for a class of forgotton casualties, you can probably see how I felt it fitting for the
entire group that we will call for future reference "Thailand Vets" or "Thailand Veterans."
You see, the DOD like a psycho-sociopath emphatically denied that Thailand Vets were exposed to herbicides
while serving our country in Thailand. Therefore, like in the courts, this class of plaintiffs
did not receive their constitutional rights to notification in any laws or acts provided for by the Congress,
a miscarriage of justice to say the least.
Here are some excerpts taken from Pp 26-28 of the report:
Amend the Agent Orange Act which would be far cleaner than
integrating civilians for military benefits as Thailand Vets are already military (or, at least, the last
time I looked.)
Military Status.
Report Contacts;
Order Info.
Source Report
Thailand Veterans
.. lied to .. betrayed .. denied disability benefits;
equal treatment as Vietnam Era Veterans
Tell your congressman you want justice for those that served
and got sick from exposure to herbicides in Thailand
-- not Vietnam!
Blatant disregard of the welfare for an entire class of veterans!
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"We were exposed to herbicides while serving in
Thailand."
(Please say that ten times.)
We now have a copy of an official
USAF CHECO secret report for the base defenses of Thailand
that indicates the use of herbicides in maintaining perimeters of military installantions
(and jungle control.) Now, the
"jungle control" may be subjective, but the
brown that the use of herbicides caused is not.
What ever you do, don't leave home without this report.
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The Atrocity that is the V.A.
.. given the image of assistance
.. denying claims because the veteran
does not have everything ..
everything disclosed to him, ie, "duty to assist."
You are about to file your claim for disability benefits based upon service connection and
the presumption of exposure to herbicides in Thailand. You go to your local VSO
and provide him with your DD214 and make a supporting statement based upon your recollections
30 plus years ago.
You are about to be denied.
You may not know that for 10-12 months, but you can be sure that the government is going to
make some flowery statements that your "plausible claim" under the law is not supported.
You did not know that the government hid in documents classified "Secret"
and subsequently de-classified, archived in a "tomb of historical database," and buried in a hundred page report on page 57.
re: FOIA
What surprised this advocate even more, though, was that the air force in sanitizing this classified report
did not catch the spots related to the "use of herbicides" opening the door for all Thailand veterans to
either re-open their claim or file a new claim. See the
USAF Cover Letter and De-Classified Sheets 19 Jul 94 - Today (6 October 2007)
and marvel at the findings. Some 13 years after the de-classification and based upon a retired air force
veteran that not only served in Thailand, but provided installation perimeter security guard with his K-9 partner,
requested via the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) a copy of the report excerpts.
Many of you may not be familiar with the red "Secret" coversheet always on top of a document or report classified same.
When I was company clerk in Thailand, my security clearance was only through "Confidential."
It wasn't until my assignment to the USARPAC Hqs where I may come in contact with many classified documents that my
security clearance was upgraded to "Secret."
For this CHECO report to be classified "Secret" tells me that the content
was sensitive. If you read through the correspondence provided with the report coversheets, you will
see that the Air Force HRA (Historical Research Agency) in Maxwell AFB, Alabama forwarded the FOIA request to the
Air Force Declassification Office at the Pentagon. And, what follows is hardly the entire report,
but excerpts de-classified for public consumption.
Point being ..
What is a veteran, a disability claimant, supposed to do to substantiate their claim for disability compensation
when the (adversarial) V.A. agency is not forth coming in providing said information under the reformed laws
regarding duty to assist? The ruling judge or panel thereof prepares a denial opinion, or same thing
really, remand, that says every attempt was made and further investigate would be futile.
"Please be advised, we are unable to take any further action to obtain Federal evidence from the service department or any other sources once we have received a definitive negative reply. Any future attempts to obtain this information would be futile since it appears records are currently
not available." - quote from my claim file by VA/RO/Reno (Nevada.)
The only thing that is futile (and petty) is the position of the claimant, even represented by (legal) counsel.
Therefore, your disability claim was killed and there is nothing you can do about it.
This CHECO report is a perfect example of this bureaucracy and the wall the claimant is up against.
The report was prepared the following year of operations in Thailand in 1973 and for another 21 years remained
classified "Secret" until 19 Jul 94 at which time it was electronically transferred to the Air Force HRA unit
and archived in a colossal database; never to be seen or heard from again for another 13 years (today.)
And, OSI (Office of Special Investigations) is still reviewing the volume of pages still classified.
Now, I hope this graphic analogy has gotten through to you and I don't need to hit you over the head with a
hammer to see that there is no way in hell that the veteran, three decades removed as a civilian with medical
complications looks to the agency for technical assistance because it ain't going to be there, denied.
"We're unbiased arbitrators of the law with regard to veterans' rights
and also to taxpayer interest."
- VA refutes claims ..
right.
What follows is excerpts from denied or remanded claims by Thailand veterans that asserted
that there exposure to herbicides occurred in Thailand and further affirmed that they did not
serve in Vietnam (by chance.)
[Congressman Lane]
Evans also asked the Secretary [Rumsfeld] for an assessment of the use, testing or storage of Agent Orange, Agent Blue, Agent Purple, Agent White or other
herbicides which contain dioxin at locations in Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Puerto Rico and various locations in the United States.
[However,] the congressman noted that the amount of herbicides used in some of these
locations may have been small amounts for short term testing and may present no danger to populations.
Evans indicated in his letter that veterans who are claiming service-connection of disabilities that have been associated
with herbicide exposure, have had serious difficulty in proving exposure.
If the Department of Defense has evidence that herbicides were used in particular areas,
during specific periods of time, that information should be made public so that affected veterans may receive appropriate
assistance in establishing their claims.
He complained that it is more than 30 years since many of the herbicides were used, yet veterans are still having
claims denied. This is because the Department of Defense has not been forthcoming with information
concerning the locations where veterans may have been exposed and
it is well past the time for full and open disclosure.
Source: RAO Bulletin May 03
For more on Evans' inquiries,
SAF Letter from USAF.
It is very clear that since the end of reported herbicide spraying in S.E.A. (Thailand and otherwise,)
in 1972 (January 7, 1971 in Vietnam by the way,) should provide to the veterans (and public) de-classified
documents as we uncovered this "Defenses in Thailand" USAF CHECO official report/document.
This, of course, implys that thousands of Thailand vet claims (both dead and limping along medically,)
must be re-opened, paid retro, and granted their right to disability compensation.
The only question that beseiges me is whether Congress should award triple punative damages and
compensation because of such abuse of authority by the agency.
See for yourself, go to the BVA Cases file
and enter keyword "Thailand" and see how many of the following cases were either straight out denied
or remanded for superficial document reasons.
How absurd is this?
Unjustly Remanded Case
"He also alleges that herbicides were being
sprayed around the perimeter of the base."
- USAF Inventory Specialist (Korat RTAFB; '70-71)
.. ere is no presumption of exposure to herbicide agents in Thailand.
The airman worked with this shit; stored it and undoubtedly handled the
55-gallon drums, but he has (drum roll) no proof. Nada.
Do you think the "fox guarding the hen house" was about to tell him that
there is a classified report regarding the use of herbicides in Thailand,
specifically Korat, and that his allegations are justified?
Excerpt of Appeal Ruling:
"In this case, the veteran is not entitled to presumptive
service connection because he never served in Vietnam during
the Vietnam era. Instead, he claims that he was exposed to
herbicides while stationed at the Royal Thai Air Force Bases
in Korat, Thailand from 1970 to 1971. He maintains that he
worked as an inventory specialist and he was responsible for
maintaining a certain quantity of herbicides that were being
used in Vietnam. He also alleges that herbicides were being
sprayed around the perimeter of the base.
In support of the veteran's claim, D.S. submitted a statement
confirming that herbicides were being stored at the Air Force
Based in Korat. D.S. explained that he and the veteran were
assigned to the base supply system and that their duties
included counting and inspecting barrels containing chemicals
which had arrived from supply depots in Vietnam. According
to D.S., leaking chemical from some of the barrels was
carried over the storage area and looked like a greasy tar
pit. D.S. maintained that he and the veteran were exposed to
these chemicals on their skin, in their food, and from the
air they breathed. When the shelf life had expired, the
chemicals were transported to an open pit and burned under
the veteran's supervision.
Unfortunately, there is no presumption of exposure to
herbicide agents in Thailand. However, in light of the
statements provided by the veteran and D.S. concerning the
use and storage of herbicides at the Air Force Base in Korat,
Thailand, VA should attempt to obtain confirmation from
appropriate sources."
- Claim
"VA should attempt to obtain confirmation from appropriate sources."
USAF CHECO Report (De-Classified in 1994)
Obviously, a travisty of justice; deceased claimant's survivors (for benefits.)
As you will find out from the above de-classified report, herbicides were used profusely in Thailand
and not on an occasion in some silly test program, but regular use in the defense of the bases.
"The veteran contends that his Type II diabetes mellitus is
the result of exposure to herbicides during service in
Thailand while he was in the Air Force. Service records
confirm that the veteran was assigned to the 1982nd
Communications Squadron at Ubon Airfield in Thailand from
1969 to 1972.
[At] the April 2003 hearing,
the veteran testified that he believes he may have been
exposed to herbicides either from a leaking drum or from
spraying of what he thought might be herbicides on the
eastern side of the air base at the time he lived there. The
veteran should be notified that to substantiate his claim he
should submit or identify corroborating evidence as to the
substance to which he was exposed along with medical evidence
that his exposure to that substance is causally related to
his current Type II diabetes mellitus.
To ensure that VA has met its duty to assist the claimant in
developing the facts pertinent to the claim and to ensure
full compliance with due process requirements, the case is
REMANDED to the RO for the following actions: [deleted]"
- Claim
Note the (legal) language in the "remand" paragraph as to "duty to
assist" and "developing the facts pertinent to the claim."
It's bullshit. The VA, DOD; government had no intent
to provide the official documents we have uncovered which would provide
the claimant with a solid claim.
"In view of this, an attempt should be made to obtain any
available reports as may reflect whether elements of the 35th
TAC Group performed classified missions into Vietnam,
including from Takhli Air Force Base in Thailand between
December 1964 and September 1965."
- Denied/Remanded for the wrong reason
as we know today, October, 2007, that herbicides were used (profusely) at installations in Thailand.
"[To] avoid burdens on the adjudication
system, delays in the adjudication of other claims, and
unnecessary expenditure of resources through remand or final
adjudication of a claim based on court precedent that may
ultimately be overturned on appeal, the Secretary of VA has
imposed a stay at the Board on the adjudication of tinnitus
claims affected by Smith."
- Unlawful Stay/Remand .. burden of
the "adjudication system." How about the veteran's right to due process and full government
disclosure, hidden until July, 1994 of this archived historic, official USAF report?
538th/809th Engineer Trooper
.. road construction on
Friendship Highway
FINDINGS OF FACT
1. The veteran served in Thailand from July 1966 to June
1967; he did not serve in the Republic of Vietnam.
[Service] personnel records
show that he served in Thailand from July 1966 to June 1967.
He served with Co C, 538th EngrBn (Const) from July 1966 to
March 1967 and then served with Hq Co, 809th EngrBn (Const)
until June 1967. He had no service in the Republic of
Vietnam.
[The] RO also noted that his personnel records showed
that he served in Thailand, and there was no indication that
he served in the Republic of Vietnam.
[He] claimed that the right of
way was sprayed with an herbicide agent (Agent Orange)
several times during his period of service, in order to kill
the jungle and control the vegetation on the right of way.
He claimed they worked everyday in the jungle after it was
sprayed, building the highway, and their compound was sprayed
and fogged every day and night to control insects. He
reported that he was in good health when he arrived in
Thailand in July 1966
In September 1997 the veteran submitted a statement, along
with several documents. In his statement he claimed that he
was stationed 65 miles south of Kharat, Thailand for six to
eight months and he helped to build a road. He thought the
road was named Highway 23. He claimed that after six to
eight months he was promoted and stationed further south, and
was still building the road. He reported that the vegetation
on the right of way, when sprayed, would wilt and turn brown.
The veteran also submitted a letter dated in September 1997
from the U.S. Army & Joint Services Environmental Support
Group (ESG) (now called the U.S. Armed Services Center for
Research of Unit Records) to the RO, in response to the
veteran's representative request concerning his possible
exposure to herbicides in Thailand. Along with the letter,
ESG included documents showing that the Thailand Defoliation
Test Program was conducted in Thailand from April 1963
through June 1966, to determine the effectiveness of aerial
applications of herbicides, such as Purple and Orange, in the
defoliation of jungle vegetation. The test program was
carried out in a series of aerial spray tests on carefully
defined test plots at the Royal Thai Army reservation in
Pranburi, Thailand. The document also showed that Agent
Orange was sprayed in Thailand in 1964 and 1965. Also
enclosed with the letter were copies of VA Agent Orange
Briefs and the Agent Orange Review.
In July 1997 the National Personnel Record Center (NPRC)
indicated that they were unable to confirm the veteran's use
of Agent Orange during road construction.
By rating action in October 1997, the RO denied service
connection for lung cancer as a result of exposure to
herbicides, essentially finding that the required service in
Vietnam had not been shown, nor was there evidence of
exposure to herbicides in any other period of service. The
RO also noted that there was no basis in the available
evidence of record to establish service connection for lung
cancer, and noted that the lung cancer did not occur in
service, nor was it aggravated or caused by service.
In February 1998 the veteran testified at a hearing at the RO
that he arrived in Thailand in July 1966 and first went to a
base camp in "Kharat" for three to four days. He was then
transferred approximately 65 to 70 miles south, into the
mountains and jungles, where he was assigned to a unit as an
equipment repairman. His unit was building a road through
the jungle and mountains, and he claimed that the 150 foot
right of way for the road was sprayed with herbicides. He
claimed that during the eight or nine months he was with the
unit, they built approximately 15 miles of the road, and
herbicides were sprayed over two to three mile sections of
the road. He was part of the crew that actually cleared the
right of way and did the initial grading. He reported that
he never saw the actual spraying, but did see helicopters go
over with spray bars on. He testified that he worked in
brown foliage areas.
[After] he spent approximately eight months
building the road, he was transferred farther south to the
809th Engineer Battalion, Headquarters Company, and there was
no exposure there. The veteran submitted several maps to the
hearing officer, and reported that the maps showed that the
spraying noted at Pranburi was remote from where the veteran
was, and that his likelihood of exposure was slim. He did
not know what type of helicopters were spraying the
herbicides or where they came from.
In a statement dated in June 1998 the veteran indicated that
he was including unit history reports for C Company, 538th
Eng. Bn., and noted that these records showed that they had
trouble clearing the jungle during building of the road
because it was very dense. He claimed that due to the amount
of vegetation, they sprayed "defoliates", one of which was
Agent Orange. He claimed he was exposed to this by working
in the jungle, brushing up against the foliage, and drinking
the water.
[by] the 538th Engineer Battalion. In the
letter the USASCRUR stated that the >b?unit's mission included
constructing base camps and Route 304. The area of Route
304's terrain was noted to have rugged hills, mountains,
dense under brush, jungle type vegetation, and rice paddies,
and that the unit's area of operation included Korat and
Kahin Buri, Thailand. It was noted that the National
Archives and Records Administration and the U.S. Army
Military History Institute did not maintain unit records for
the 134th Engr.Bn. It was also noted that Morning Reports,
which could be used to verify daily personnel actions, could
be ordered from the Director of the NPRC.
[ANALYSIS]
A claimant for benefits under a law administered by the
Secretary of the United States Department of Veteran Affairs
(VA) shall have the >b?burden of submitting evidence sufficient
to justify a belief by a fair and impartial individual that
the claim is well grounded. The Secretary has the duty to
assist a claimant in developing facts pertinent to the claim
if the claim is determined to be well grounded. 38 U.S.C.A.
§ 5107(a). Thus, the threshold question to be answered is
whether the veteran has presented a well grounded claim; that
is, a claim which is plausible. If he has not presented a
well grounded claim, his appeal must fail, and there is no
duty to assist him further in the development of his claim as
any such additional development would be futile. Murphy v.
Derwinski, 1 Vet.App. 78 (1990). In this case, the veteran's
claim for service connection for lung cancer due to exposure
to Agent Orange is considered to be a plausible claim and is
therefore well grounded. The Board also notes that that all
necessary evidentiary development has been undertaken by VA
and the duty to assist has been complied with.
The veteran contends that he has lung cancer as a result of
his exposure to Agent Orange during his period of active
service in Thailand. He asserts that he was exposed to Agent
Orange in Thailand because he helped build a road through the
jungle, and that Agent Orange was sprayed to clear the right
of way for the road.
[Thus,] since
the veteran did not serve in Vietnam, the Agent Orange
presumption does not apply to the instant case.
[In] that regard, the Board finds that the preponderance of the
evidence is against the veteran's claim that Agent Orange
exposure in Thailand led to the development of his lung
cancer.
[There] is no
evidence in the record confirming or corroborating the
veteran's claimed exposure to Agent Orange in Thailand.
[Absent] evidence
affirmatively showing that he was exposed to Agent Orange
while serving in Thailand, or a legal presumption in the
veteran's favor, there is no basis to grant service
connection for lung cancer as being incurred during service
or otherwise due to exposure to Agent Orange in Thailand.
The Board has considered the doctrine of resolving doubt in
the veteran's favor, but since the preponderance of the
evidence is against the veteran's claim, that doctrine is not
for application. 38 U.S.C.A.§ 5107."
- Denied Claim
Again, a situation where the government did not provide the pertinent reports that
discussed the "vegetation and control of the jungle" and the issues clearly plausible
by the veteran.
FINDINGS OF FACT
1. The veteran did not have service in Vietnam.
2. The veteran was not exposed to an herbicide during
service, including service in Thailand in 1971 and 1972.
3. The veteran's diabetes mellitus was not manifested during
his active service or for many years thereafter, nor is his
diabetes otherwise related to service, to include claimed
herbicide exposure during service.
[Under] certain circumstances, service connection for specific
diseases, including type 2 diabetes, may be presumed if a
veteran was exposed during service to certain herbicides,
including Agent Orange. 38 U.S.C.A. § 1116; 38 C.F.R. §§
3.307, 3.309(e). If a veteran was exposed to Agent Orange or
another herbicide agent, service connection for type 2
diabetes will be presumed if the condition becomes manifest
to a degree of 10 percent disabling or more.
[In] his March 2002 claim for service connection and
compensation, he checked "No," in response to the question
as to whether he had served in Vietnam.
VA has procedures for determining whether a veteran served in
Vietnam, for purposes of presuming exposure to an herbicide.
A procedural manual provides, "In the absence of
contradictory evidence, 'service in Vietnam' will be conceded
if the records shows [sic] that the veteran received the
Vietnam Service Medal." VA Adjudication Procedure Manual
M21-1, Part III, 4.08(k)(1)-(2) (Nov. 1991). Recently, in
Haas v. Nicholson, No. 04-491 (U.S. Vet. App. August 16,
2006), the Court invalidated a February 2002 VA action to
rescind that provision, and ruled that this manual provision
remains binding on VA. VA is seeking to have this decision
appealed to the United States Court of Appeals for the
Federal Circuit. Pending such action, the Chairman of the
Board of Veterans' Appeals, by direction of the Secretary of
VA, has imposed a stay on adjudication of cases affected by
the Court's decision in Haas. Chairman's Memorandum No. 01-
06-24 (September 21, 2006).
The veteran was awarded the Vietnam Service Medal. There is
evidence, however, that contradicts that he had service in
Vietnam. According to military records and the veteran's own
statements, the veteran was stationed in Thailand during
parts of 1971 and 1972, and he did not spend time on land or
in the surrounding waters of the Republic of Vietnam. The
clear evidence that the veteran did not serve in Vietnam
obviates a concession under Part III, 4.08(k)(1)-(2) of the
M21-1 manual that he had service in Vietnam. As application
of the M21-1 manual provision does not lead to a concession
that the veteran had service in Vietnam, the Haas decision
does not affect this case, and this case is not subject to
the Board's stay on cases affected by Haas.
As the veteran did not have service in Vietnam, he is not
presumed to have been exposed to an herbicide during service.
The veteran contends that he was exposed to an herbicide
during his service in Thailand.
[In] response to a May 2006
request from the RO, the United States Army and Joint
Services Records Research Center (JSRRC) stated that research
showed that herbicides were not sprayed near U.S. personnel
in Thailand. The JSRRC indicated that herbicides were only
sprayed in Thailand for test purposes in the early and mid-
1960s, in remote jungle areas.
- Claim Denied
Again, another veteran without the proper documents to show what the
government was hiding in the use of herbicides in Thailand.
I'd say the JSRRC needs to be informed about the situation, wouldn't you?
As noted above, the veteran also contends that he made two
in-country visits to Vietnam. He reports that during his
time trailblazing in Laos, his superior indicated that they
had crossed the border into Vietnam. The veteran also
reports that upon leaving Thailand, he was transported first
by plane to Saigon, Vietnam, where he was for approximately
two to three hours. See hearing transcript. In addition,
the veteran contends that a plane sprayed an herbicide agent
on a ship he was on that was located off the shore of
Vietnam. See October 2002 VA Form 21-4138; February 2005 VA
Form 9.
- Remanded/Denied claim,
even with case precedent of intransit via Saigon is a well established route.
"Service department personnel records show that the veteran
had service in the Strategic Air Command (SAC) of the United
States Air Force. It is reported that he had foreign service
at the 4258th OMS, U-Tapao Air Field, Thailand. Service
personnel records do not contain the orders authorizing his
travel from the United States to Thailand. Obtaining the
veteran's travel orders might serve to corroborate his
assertion about having touched down in Viet Nam for several
hours."
- Remanded/Denied
on premise of stop(over) in Vietnam versus stationed at U-Tapao, Thailand where exposure
to herbicides would have been the case.
Here is another ridiculous example of the "burden of proof" wall that the veteran was
up against until now.
Spraying (Allegations) at NKP ..
"[His] first allegation is that he was directly exposed to Agent
Orange - that operations into Laos and/or Vietnam were
conducted from NKP, that Agent Orange was sprayed at NKP,
and/or that spraying in Laos along the Ho Chi Minh trail
exposed him to Agent Orange.
[However,] the Department of Defense has issued a list of Agent
Orange test programs outside of Vietnam that includes tests
in Thailand from 1964-1965 and herbicide operations, to
include Agent Orange, in Laos from December 1965 through June
1967. Please see January 2003 letter from the Assistant
Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs to Dr. Susan Mather,
with attached documents. Particularly relevant here is the
docu-mentation of spraying in Laos, but the records require
further review to determine the actual cities of the
herbicide operations and their geographic proximity to NKP.
These past herbicide operations are precisely the type of
incidents that can be verified by historical records. Under
M21-1, Part VI, 7.20b(3): [deleted]
"This claim must be afforded expeditious treatment."
- Remanded/Denied
The year was 2005, the claimant obviously waited several more years to have his "day in court,"
and because the (required) evidence is not yet de-classified, the V.A. is not accountable.
"In October 2001, USASCURR responded that it was unable to
confirm or locate documentation indicating that Ranch Hand
aircraft (used to spray herbicides over South Vietnam)
originated from Ubon Air Force Base in Thailand. However,
USASCURR further stated that the "Hayes Company" developed
the spray equipment used in the Ranch Hand defoliation
program. The issue of "possible contamination" of the
Hayes Dispensers with which the veteran came into contact was
not addressed.
In a June 2003 Supplemental Statement of the Case, the RO
again declined to restore service connection on the basis
that "the evidence does not establish that the veteran was
exposed to Agent Orange while in service" and the "the
preponderance of the evidence is against his claim, and there
is no doubt to be resolved."
[While] the RO stated "it
has not been verified that the veteran handled, used, stored,
or was in any way exposed to Agent Orange, or that he came
into contact with equipment that may have been exposed to
Agent Orange, during his service in Thailand" that statement
is not correct.
The RO essentially used a lack of information concerning
herbicide exposure as the evidence to sever service
connection. This had the effect of placing the burden of
proof on the veteran, impermissible under 38 C.F.R.
§ 3.105(d), and insufficient to justify a finding of clear
and unmistakable error in the grant of service connection."
- Claim
This claim was granted based upon circumstantial evidence
of spraying hardware on said aircraft, and not for the right reason (granted)
exposure to herbicide in Thailand.
The "Ph.D Quadmire" - Piled Higher and Deeper ..
I could go on and on with case after case either denied or remanded for superficial documents
that we know were classified and/or not made available by an agency that enjoyed denying veterans
their just compensation for service in a hazardous war zone. Write your congressman,
point out these half dozen examples and see what they think.
Warning: Although, you should not file your claim on your own, but with the
assistance of a good VSO. It is hard to find a good VSO. Especially, faced
with the fact that the regulations are written in such a way to prejudice a claim for
service connection for those that served only in Thailand. You are now equipped
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