If you served in Thailand during the Vietnam War,
this roster is specially for you.
CHEDO "Base Defense in Thailand"
NKP
Udorn
Korat
Takhli
Ubon
U-Tapao
"[herbicides] were employed to assist in the difficult task of vegetation control."
- Pg-58, USAF CHECO Report
(Cpt Barrow, Law Professor, USAF Academy)
U.S. Air Force Publications:
Vietnam War Bibliography
"USAF Operations from Thailand" CHECO
(TOP SECRET) ***
"Presumptions of service connection for diseases
associated with exposure to certain herbicide agents;"
38 U.S.C. Section 1116
Direct
Cause vs. Presumptive -
"In a case that coincidentally also provides significant supportive data regarding claims with regard to Agent Orange and the legislative and other machinations associated therewith, the United States Court of Veterans Appeals (the Court) recently found that plausible medical evidence of the existence of a current presumptively service-connected disease with an open-ended presumption period is sufficient to present a well-grounded service connection claim as to that disease. The case also holds that the presence of the disease would carry with it the presumption of nexus to service as well. See Brock v. Brown, 10 Vet. App. 155, 162 (1996)."
RONALD R. BOSCH
Member, Board of Veterans' Appeals
Citing Legal Precedence Outside of Vietnam "Direct Cause" case
in Okinawa;
"[the] United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit has determined that a claimant is not precluded from establishing service connection with proof of direct causation."
"[In] order to prevail with regard to the issue of service connection on the merits, "there must be medical evidence of a current disability,"
"He has submitted copies of articles indicating that Agent Orange may have been stored and/or used on Guam from 1955 to the late 1960s, which is the time period during which the veteran served there. These articles also reflect that in the 1990s, the Environmental Protection Agency listed Anderson Air Force base as a toxic site with dioxin contaminated soil and ordered clean up of the site. Given this evidence, particularly, the articles reflecting the latter information, and the veteran's testimony, which is credible, the Board accepts that the veteran was exposed to herbicides during his active service in Guam."
"The veteran did not serve in Vietnam; therefore, he is not entitled to a presumption of service connection for his diabetes mellitus under the aforementioned law and regulations governing claims for service connection for disabilities resulting from herbicide exposure. As previously indicated, however, the veteran may be entitled to service connection for this disease on a direct basis if the evidence establishes that his diabetes mellitus is related to the herbicide exposure."
"Based on this finding, the Board concludes that diabetes mellitus was incurred in service. Inasmuch as the evidence supports the veteran's claim, that claim must be granted."
ORDER
Service connection for diabetes mellitus secondary to herbicide exposure is granted.
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ROBERT E. SULLIVAN
Veterans Law Judge, Board of Veterans' Appeals
Citing Legal Precedence Outside of Vietnam "Direct Cause" case
in Guam;
Thailand Veterans
re:
Trilogy of Hypocrisy
Service Connection "Part of the Equation"
*** When is "Top Secret" less than "Secret"???
Answer: when the government liability is less.
"[herbicides] were employed to assist in the difficult task of vegetation control."
"Base Defense in Thailand"
.. a CHECO report covering only
the middle years (1968-72) of the secret war ...
Any other official documents
have either been destroyed
or hidden a lot better ...
"DOD says -No-; airman says -Yes- & V.A. plays -Good guy-"
1 & 2 -
Airman's Claim shot down by DOD List @ BVA Hearing
3 -
Agent Orange Review (July 2006)
Hold your horses ..
classified .. top secret.
Print out this Extract Release of the report declassified for your congressman
and have him explain the difference between "secret" and "top secret,"
classification 7-year reviews, judicial due process and judicial abuse.
The V.A. engages in judicial abuse, taking veteran claims and
ignoring the evidence and doctrine principles and policy of judicial rulings
and places you in a backlog that seemingly is "beyond their control," but of
their making. - Franco
Excerpt Explicit Only
p.s. And, if some fool @ the V.A. comes up to you and says
"Internet content is not allowed." .. ask him about their (official)
website. The Internet is made up of many things, of which
some our official documents representing facts and knowledge base compiled; other
parts are editorial or opinion. Tell this V.A. fool which
end is up .. he has evidently gone through life viewing things the other
way around, ie, thru his asshole. - Franco
.. about the betrayal .. cover-up
the Department of Defense denies the use of herbicides in Thailand
(and many other places in Asia during the Vietnam War)
Above is the two official entries in the so-called "DOD List,"
a list that on 11 October 2007 as a "whistle blower,"
I contacted the subcontractor to correct the list
for all Thailand veterans, as class.
Until this official air force report surfaced via the FOIA,
veterans have been denied disability compensation
for service in Thailand.
The V.A. and DOD have stood together to categorically deny
the use of herbicides in Thailand other than the tests
indicated in the above table.
This atrocity of justice must end! Now! 2008!
35+ years later .. God only knows how many death casualties
of cancer and diabetes complications ...
Here is a link to an
airman's claim from NKP
denied -- because of this idiotic list "maintained" by the DOD.
(Me thinks the DOD subcontractor forgot how to maintain ...)
Like this airman that served in Thailand,
he was denied service connection for his disability!
.. only the government knows .. no possible judicial discovery
can be performed by claimant (or a rubber-stamping VSO on his behalf ...)
You know .. Thailand vets were never taken seriously by these VSOs.
In fact, this whole injustice smells of a conspiracy,
a conspiracy of the army,
DOD/VA and reluctant partner
in the air force
which inadvertantly released an extract of the
classified "Secret" (35+ years) USAF CHECO report on
"Base Defenses in Thailand from 1968 to 1972" ***
Today -- a VARO/St Petersburg (stubbornly) attempted to deny
disability benefits to yet another Thailand veteran
-- even with submission of documents from this air force report!
*** The report does not cover the early construction years
in Thailand from 1961 thru 1967
which in itself is an atrocity of justice!
Advocate for Veterans with special interest for Thailand veterans
The Spirit of the Soldier is to live everyday beyond the call of duty!
Our Creed is to leave no one behind!
The Soldiers got it right, but their leaders and politicians
couldn't read a history book to save their b#%tt!
On the backs of those that served ..
Vietnam Era Veterans, * a lost generation of warriors ..
using images of soldiers today, a tribute to those before them ...
* Including Thailand veterans, and those with duty in many other posts in Asia. **
** Including offshore Navy personnel.
Thailand Veterans
Veterans' Testimony (Accoutns)
1961 - 1975
Photo Gallery
1961 - 1967
Task Force/Construction Years
U.S. Naval Mobile Construction
Battalion - Go Navy!
Nov'62
JUSMACTHAI - Mission Policy on Base Defense
End of War in 1975; use of herbicides in Thailand
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May 21, 2008; Airman Richard Harold (Detroit) and Franco talked on the phone
about the end of the war; last days in NKP, downtown, and temporary orders to
Korat followed by exit to the Phillipines ...
Richard was one of those lucky guys to be assigned to Takli, Korat, U-Tapao
and almost NKP ... Oh .. lucky is a matter of perspective ..
Richard was retired from the air force with a 100% disability never really
explained .. just taken off the rolls for "convenience of the service."
p.s. Franco's mailman (in Vegas) is an air force veteran (Bien Hoa)
.. with 100% (service connected) disability ...
NKP (Camp Ruam Chit Chai)
Curtis Hammond, 1973-74, AFSC 81150, Security Police
(913) 682-0207
Airman's Claim shot down by DOD List @ BVA Hearing
Agent Orange Review (July 2006)
and
The Confrontation
Leo Caraveo, HHC 809th Engr Bn
Sep'70-Feb'71 (Closing Ruam Chit Chai) .. Okinawa
(915) 328-7821 @
Ft Bliss, Texas
Udorn (CIA Hqs)
Dan Decker, TSgt, Retired, 1966-86, 10% Rated (Not for AO)
AFSC 2874, Inertial and Doppler Radar Navigation Systems Technician,
(F-4Ds and RF-4Cs)
Jan 70 - Dec 70
150 Karen Drive Ingram, TX 78025
(830) 866-3429
Bruce Jasinski, Aug 70-Jul 71
AFRSC 30154, Aircraft Inertial Navigation Systems Repairman
See my attachment that was in Stars and Stripes on 17 May 2008. If they use the criteria for awarding Purple Heart for PTSD then all veterans exposed to herbicides should qualify as well.
Wayne T. Boyd, Feb 72 - Feb 73, Deputy Chief JUSTMAGTHAI,
Personnel Sgt MOS 71H/71l, Retired 1 Nov 88; First Sergeant
Housing Director, U.S. Army War College
Disability Rating Status: 80% Overall, for Pay 60% and
service connection
for "presumptive exposure to Herbicides"
for Type II Diabetes, 40% ie, visitation
provision to Vietnam.
I had to fight with the V.A. and took if all the way to the BVA to
prove "boots on the ground"
and "presumptive exposure" *, it was an up climb and I am still climbing.
See Legal Precedence based upon pay stub (LES) evidence.
No phone right now, moving to Massachusetts from Pennsylvania.
* Provisions under 38 U.S.C. Section 1116 (versus "Direct Cuase" and Section 1110.)
Korat (Camps USARTHAI & Friendship)
Franco, E-5, Company Clerk, Claim Filed 21 Apr 05 (Denied)
Thailand (17 Jan 68 - 10 Jan 70);
Army Bio
(702) 363-3290
Dennis (Denny) Oliver E-5, 1966-67
388 MMS; AFSC (46150) Munnitions and Weapons Maintance
(419) 478-4588
Marilyn (spouse) Volunteer Veterans Advocate
Thailand Vietnam Veterans for Equity in Ttreatment
TVVET Group
Silver Rose Director
Mark Olson, September 1968, MOS 51K20
(Plumber)
528th Engineer Detahcment (Utility) - Camp Friendship
54th Engineer Company (Construction Supprt)
549th Engineer Detachment - "Blue Goose"
B Company, 809th Engineer Battalion (Construction) - NKP
561st Engineer Company (Construction) - Camp Friendship
HHC, 809th Engineer Battalion - Camp Ruam Chit Chai
MOS 76P40 (Stock Control Accounting Specialist) S-4 Logistics
(719) 760-2601
See VARO/Denver Decision
Takhli
Mark Johnson,
(803) 276-5464, 1963-64
Robert D. Kilgallon, E-4, Sgt,
Photo
662 Park Ave Meadville, Pennsylvania 16335
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I do not know if you can help me or not.
I was stationed in Tahkli RTAFB Thailand from December 1968 to 1969.
From time to time I would be sent into Vietnam under disposable Temporary Orders (TDY orders.) I was there but not there if captured, and was never there if asked..
Anyway, I have applied for consideration of agent orange compensation and reclassification of my disability for Myasthenia Gravis and Lymphatic cancer. After 190 days of waiting and since 1975 of applying, I was officially informed that They will not reconsider my disability payments or even recognize me as having any disabilities concerning agent orange agent white, blue or Malithonia.
My original classification was that of Air Craft electronics and electrical technician. I also was an augment guard and stood aside the base security police and several times in sand bag bunkers.
In a nut shell the agent orange caused my thymus gland to work improperly. I did not grow to the height I was suppose to be.
In 1992 The VA Hospital in Erie removed three tumors from off my left lung. They sent the tumors or parts of them to three labs two civilian and one military The civilian labs stated they were Hodgkin's Lymphatic and the military stated that they were caused by the Thymus gland.
In 1997 at Meadville Medical Center Meadville, Pa. they again removed four tumors off my left lung. the civilian labs all showed they were Hodgkin's Lymphatic.
The physician seen that the Thymus gland was not of normal size and removed it.
The removal of the Thymus gland is usually a treatment for getting rid of Myasthenia Gravis , but in this case it was the cause of it for me. I was told that the deformed Thymus caused the problems.
The government has denied me any compensation based on the fact they could not find the disappearing TDY Orders, and they stated that I was never exposed to agent orange, and the disappearing medical and lab records, that I sent to them, then could not find any records of any operations
I have contacted others (Agent Orange vets) who have been diagnosed with Myasthenia Gravis and the numbers are quiet large, and many have no compensation even though there are medical findings showing that AO effects the Auto-immune system which MG is a disorder of. .
Was Tahkli RTAFB Thailand hit with any herbicide. The areas around the base had lots of open brown areas around the perimeter.
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Ubon RTAFB
Bill Warren 1965-66
(Newman, California)
(209) 765-6846
Francisco "Kiko" Velez 1969-70
(Eagle Pass, Texas)
(830) 773-1879
U-Tapao RTNAB (Satahip, Deep Water Port,
Friendship Highway & Army/Navy
Camps Vayama & Samae San)
David Adkison, Mar.71/May72, 635th Security Police Sqd.
C-sector / Air Base Defense/
Armory
Sgt. E-4/AFSC 81150
See SOC Review, based upon CHECO Report
2498 Pleasant Grove Rd, Milton, Florida 32570
(850) 675-0260
C52 - Craig, Bomb Loader, 1973-74,
Medevac'd to Tan Son Nhut , Vietnam (TSN)
Colin
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I know you must have a thousand of these by now, I was stationed at U-tapoa Thailand
in 1973 -74, Never did I see a mower mowing, but often at night a sprayer came through, most likely that was bug spray, but I wonder how many time they sprayed the ditches next to the barracks since all of U-tapoa was a marsh originally. I saw the pictures which doesn't do it justice. I was a bomb loader. But was injured and med evac'd out. I was flown out on a DC 9 all white with a big red cross. My paper work just says med evac. I landed in Ton sa nut and was allowed to get off for a cig. But when I FOIA'd the records the Air Force told me that they were non essential records (ie flight manifest and flight plan showing they landed in Viet Nam) There fore I can't prove even the Viet Nam connection. My Urologist at the VA has filed me for agent orange due to kidney damage, prostritis, ED, urinary track problems, of which the urinary problems I started having right after discharge (no pun intended) But the Seattle VA only keeps medical records for 10 years and purges them according to their answer to my FOIA. I also have weird skin rashes, severe depression, cardiovascular diesease, and they insist bi-polar,...... Anger problems, panic and axiety attacks, Hypertension, respiratory problems that I developed over their ( allergy test done in Thialand) And arthritis in about every joint. Headaches, migraines and neck pain as well as back pain that no one can find a reason for, same with my legs and knees. I started having stomach problems right after getting out, but there again the Spokane VA purge those records. I also seem to be getting a lot of benign tumors all over my body. Most of these things started within 5 years of getting out. My wife had a miscarriage and our only son now has to have heart surgery for Wolf Parkinson White syndrome at 26, something he has had since birth. That though he may have gotten from my father. But I have been deemed unemployable which pisses me off since I have two degrees and can't seem to keep a job since leaving the service in 74. Would like to know more about AO in Thialand. U-Tapoa to be exact. If I remember right we used to go to Sattaup to drink or get drunk a lot.
Advice: file your disability claim under the law provisions
provided for those in Vietnam, Title 38 U.S.C. Section 1116, for "presumptive
exposure to herbicides" as your tour in Thailand was after the CHECO report period
and therefore, does not specifically apply without judicial ruling, appeal.
Yes, of course, it is all bull shit -- we all know that herbicides
were used on a regular basis at all military camps and bases in Thailand from the
construction years of 1961-62 to the end of the war in 1975, but try to prove it!
re: Thailand veterans file under Title 38 U.S.C. Section 1110, Direct cause
for exposure to herbicides (in Thailand) with those diseases "presumptive" as allowed
by the Board of Veterans Appeal Court.
See Direct Cause vs. Presumptive
and Use of Herbicides in Thailand.
Note: the research Craig did is to be expected, ie, no answers from his FOIA.
Imagine, manifest for every Mac flight via Vietnam...
BTW, you do not have to set foot on the ground (yourself.) Just the
plane must have landed (on the ground.) And, there is no minimum
amount of time, eg, 24 hours, etc. You could be there for one minute
and under the "prsumptive" law provisions qualify for "visitation" to Vietnam.
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Phil Casey, Radio Airman
Kansas City, Missouri
(816) 931-4227
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Phil's claim was categorically denied under Section 1116 for "presumptive exposure"
versus Thailand veteran status of "direct cause" and Section 1110.
Phil's medical condition is a form of Hodgkin's Disease and/or
"exposure to herbicides diseases" associated with the (direct)
exposure to herbicides while in Thailand.
Denial of V.A. Healthcare System Benefits under Priority Cat 8:
If you were like Phil and were denied medical care due to previous income
level and you are currently either unemployed or employed below your
potential level, you should immedicately apply for reinstate of your
medical care rights and potential no-copayment provision for indigent
veterans. It is no time for pride when you need to stay
healthy enough to fight the good fight with the agency intrusted with
our benefits.
Medical Conditon Ratings: It is never too early to research
your specific medical conditions subject to service connection both
primary and secondary (conditions) associated with each primary.
The V.A. is notorious as to losing the battle for
enying you disability compensation and winning in short-changing
your disability rating(s). It is done all the time ..
err, "administrative errors," of course.
See an
medical evaluation form
where airman David Adkison unwittingly deprived his rights to a higher disability
rating for Type II Diabetes where a V.A. medical officer signed, acknowledging
his "interview" rating form.
Become familiar with the Part 4 of the CFR (Code of Federal Regulations in Title 38)
for Rating Information, eg,
913 Diabetes. For more
details, visit the
CFR Reference Guide; also the
USC Guide with background on the legislation.
Phil is now planning for a self-employed career as his medical health
deteriation over the past three years makes it impracticle to seek
employment elsewhere.
Phil is now planning his NOD and to find a pro-bono lawyer to represent him
on appeal.
Like many of us, Phil had some questions he wanted (in writing) the V.A.
to answer before they make their decision and they did not.
While speaking with Phil, I got the impression that Phil would be a good
new set of eyes and hands in helping researh technical issues.
Phil's profile, eg, years at U-Tapao, AFSC, etc. for his profile will
have to be added later .. I didn't take notes while we talked.
Of course, Phil now understands the up hill battle we each face, but
face not alone. The first major stumbling block is to
understand that most VSOs (Phil has the VFW) are only familiar with
Vietnam veterans' legal provisions under "presumptive" and not the
more broad forms of "direct cause" and "aggravation."
Finding a pro-bono lawyer that is familiar with our special interests
may not be practicle -- even a lawyer familiar with disability benefits
as they apply to military veterans versus civilian injury law.
Phil wants to get up to speed on a lot of the material on my website
before starting his legal search. It is much easier to
discuss the issues with a lawyer when you understand (better) the
complicated issues yourself. Again, I do not represent
veterans, but I am always available by email or phone to discuss
your concerns and as you see here, publish them.
Phil has already encountered the problem of finding TDY orders for
some assignments he had in Udorn, etc. from U-Tapao (even though, they
do not really matter in this case of "direct cause exposure.")
K-9 Cancer Survey Report: Some of you either have direct ties
with the security K-9s, eg, security police handlers, and others have
read something about the cancer survey, ie, animal autopies performed
on same, and the declassification of same (report) and the lack of
distribution. When we finally hung up, Phil said he had
a contact for the report to contact and would get to the bottom of
it for us.
As I learn more about Phil's profile, I will publish it here.
Posted: Memorial Day, 2008
re:
Direct Cause vs. Presumptive (READ ME FIRST)
Use of Herbicides in Thailand
Excerpt Explicit Only
UDM Project Salute and Thailand Vet David Adkison
Legal Counsel
Filing Your Claim
.. and,
plan for denial...
Site Map
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If you have filed, been denied and our a Thailand veteran,
you should give your NOD (Notice of Disagreement)
and seek the counsel of a pro-bono lawyer
that is knowledgeable in veterans' laws
as they apply to disability benefits.
Generally speaking, VSOs and their supportive organizations
do not know the issues as they apply to Thailand veterans
and therefore present another layer of delay and potential
for failure.
To be continued ..
(702) 363-3290
.. please email your contributions. Thank you.
"Love thy neighbor .."
"Mr. Smith goes to Washington"
"Divided we will surely fail;
united we will defeat Goliath!"
- Franco
Note: army personnel should identify camp, eg, Camp Friendship (Kora)
Legend: MOS (military Occupational Specialty); AFSC (Air Force)
Enlisted Ranks, the air force adopted its own for airmen from E-2, one stripe
or wing thru E-9.
Traditional Army/Marine chevrons from E-3 (Private First Class,* to Corporal,
an E-4, two stripees to a "buck" sergeant, "three down," an E-5 to a
Staff Sergeant (E-6) with "one rocker." Air Force Tech Sgts
and above, you don't know whether to salute them or bow...
re: Army Specialist Class, a class of MOS specialties that
separated "hard stripes" (NCOs with authority) from designated technical
positions. For those with a keen eye, in "Saving Private Ryan,"
you may have noticed the "typewriter-totting" corporal and his "T" under
the corporal stripes. That, undoubtedly, preceded the
chevron series that began in the mid-60's for E-4 thru E-7 in the army;;
I have worn both, "hard stripes" and specialist designation.
Most people are familiar with the SP/4 and SP/5, NCO-substitue ranks for
tradition positions of authority, ie, corporal and sergeant.
My last five years in the army were as a SP/6;
Ft Hood and the two-stripe
"bird,"
Salute when you are before me, navy >chiefs" exempted.
re: Traditions, in respect to enlisted ranks
In some ways it is understandable why the navy and air force
"propt up" their respective chiefs or tech sergeants, ie, it
takes half a career (or more) to get there!
For instance, one wing (or "stripe) in the air force has
signicant implications as to length of service and duration
as an E-3 OR E-4 before you are promoted .. to E-4.
In the army, you could be promoted to E-3
right out of advanced training programs and be a SP/4 in
a matter of months, eg, 7-9 months. In the
air force, you can groom both a career and a family and not
see an E-4 promotion for 9 years! Navy chiefs
are just as horrific. Many air force and navy
enlisted retire an E-6 while army soldiers are being groomed
for leadership acadamies and special promotions under two
years of military service! That's right -- we
had a staff sergeant (E-6) promoted, honoring his USARSUPTHAI
Command status as Soldier of the Year in 19 months!
I had a break in service, and I still was promoted, on time,
within the 5-year minimum.
In my humble opinion, it is a "stiff price tag" to pay for
"30squares" and "clean sheets."
RTAFB (Royal Thai Air Force Base) and RTNAB (Royal Thai Navy Aib Base)
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