Agent Orange Drum and a Soldier Classied Secret

Thailand
(Exposed)
Series
Folded flag for a fallen comrade
PHOTO EVIDENCE
OF THE USE OF HERBICIDES
AT ALL MILITARY BASES
OCCUPIED BY U.S. PERSONNEL
IN THAILAND   (1961 - 1975)
AIR BASE DEFENSE
- VEGETATION CONTROL
'CONNECTING THE DOTS'
VETERANS APPEAL COURT RULING
Ground Zero:   Thailand Direct Exposure
Assessment Model *

* March, 2008 Institute of Medicine of the National Academies

Arguement @ Herbicide Agents sprayed on Base Interior ( Online)
and
disspelling the VARO Myth @ direct exposure
(Acting) Under Secretary of V.A. Benefits P.W.Dunne
in coordination with Senator Danial K. Akaka, Chairman for V.A. Committee
using unsubstantiated conclusions
deny Thailand Veterans direct exposure to Agent Orange
in Thailand !   - October 6, 2008 .. quietly (learned of 5/21/09)
Ironically, just before Memorial Day
and an appropriate reflection of betrayal by Congress and V.A.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO VBA SITE MAP       Revelations in the official military community have uncovered official documents that will aid all Thailand veterans in submitting their disability claim for the direct cause of their medical condition associated with the exposure of herbicides in Thailand.    This photo evidence sheet will contain links to the various key documents as well as other photo links that you may want to print separately and then attach to your claim filings for either the V.A. regional office or the Board of Veteran’s Appeal.



JUSMAG (THAILAND)
Mission Policy on Base Defense
in Thailand

Key Passages:
Policy @ soil sterilization
Policy @ soil sterilization
"[Approval] obtained from the US Embassy.   Coordination [effected] with the local US Consul"
Scope:   "[to conduct] soil sterilization and/or defoliation operations
on or around US Occupied installations" [in Thailand]   Cited by VARO/Waco in Priesman *
* Note:   claim was filed prior to declassified document available; therefore, research
[by] “service department” (USAF) required.   Notice the use of ambiguous term “airports.” **
** It is ambiguous, certainly, from the standpoint of db/searches on keywords.     Details

Office of the Secretary of Air Force   (SAF)
Letter to Congressman Lane Evans   (June 30, 2005)
Source:   Letter

Key Passage (Admission):

SAF KEY PASSAGE @ ADMISSION OF USE OF HERBICIDES IN THAILAND


44th Engineer Group (Construction) - 1966
Operational Reports for POL Drum Storage Facility (Korat)
Project 9LC 66-30 (9th Logistics Command in Joint Task Force)

31 Jul 66 44th Engr Gp (Const) Operational Report - Project Drum Storage (Korat)

Project is suddenly canceled.

2 Nov 66 44th Engr Gp (Const) Operational Report - Project Drum Storage (Korat)

Source:   44th Engineer Group (Construction) History

"Connedting the Dots" - Crap and More Crap and then Army Disgrace.

Brown Death - Grass Color 101   .. courtesy of Dow Chemical
    Addendum:   History of the use of herbicies in S.E.A.
      A correlation @ 'Nam and Thailand
                Vegetation Control on and around bases
 

"In light of these facts, the answer to vegetation control in the base interior as on the perimeter appeared to be herbicides.”

 

Classied Secret
Project Southeast Asia CHECO Reports
"Base Defense in Thailand"
Classified "SECRET"

Addition:   Paper on the perspective @ NKP
By Phil Carroll, a Security Police Sentry Dog Handler’s Perspective

An extract of the report was released on or about September 21, 2007 by the U.S. Air Force Declassification Office at the Pentagon in Washington, D.C.

Contemporary Historical Examination of Current Operations   (CHECO)

The continued classification of this report as "Secret" creates a vaccuum for all U.S. personnel that served in Thailand during the Vietnam War.     Furthermore, with the declassificaiton of a State Department JUSMAG Memo supporting the basis that the ROE * (Rules of Engagement) directed by the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok, Thailand was standard operations for "soil sterilization" and/or vegetation defoliation in Thailand.

* After learning of the declassified USAF CHECO report extract, less the ROE section, a letter requesting same from the same FOIA source at the USAF AFDO/Pentagon was made on 20 Dec 07; no response as of 13 Nov 09, BVA Videoconference Hearing.

For complete details, key excerpts, click here.

Excerpt Illustration   (Option 2 - Excerpt)

Preface

This excerpt was prepared to focus on the key issues found in the released extract of the USAF CHECO report.     Here is an example of a key issue found on pg-58 regarding the use of herbicides.
Use of Herbicides @ perimeter defensive measures

KEY EXTRACT RELEASE PAGES
Pg-57

Chapter III
Physical Defenses and Limitations

Introduction

This chapter briefly considers four aspects of physical defenses as they existed in Thailand from 1968 to 1972.

[No] effort is made to duplicate concepts discussed in PACAFM 207-25,

[Two] CHECO reports on base defense concepts and measures in the Republic of Vietnam provide additional information.   See footnote 123.

Active and Passive Defense Measures

The first "ring of defense" within the bounds of USAF responsibility was the base perimeter, usually composed of fence lines and other integrated [next page]

Pg-58

[defenses,] all designed to expose the enemy to an increased risk of observation and detection. No base considered itself secure because of an inpenetrable perimeter[,]
  See footnote 124.

[To] further aid in observation, herbicides were employed to assist in the difficult task of vegetation control.     Use of these agents was limited by such factors as the ROE and supply problems.

Pg-64

Limitations

Geographic constraints provided many problems in the USAF base defense posture in Thailand.     Contiguous population centers at many of the bases severly limited opportunities for both observation and effective counterfire.     Further, tropical vegetation sided by seasonal monsoon rains grew almost faster than it could be controlled.     Dense jungles were rated as the greatest threat to the defenses at U-Tapao.   See footnote 137.     Other natural features such as streams [next page]

Pg-67

U.S. Embassy's ROE also provided several limitations on physical defenses.     [Soil] sterilization and herbicide use was also approved in 1969, but these were subject to extensive coordination with local RTG authorities and final permission from the Embassy.     They could only be used on areas within the perimeter and under no circumstances could the vegetation control agents be used to clear areas of observation to fire off-base.     This lengthy [next page]

Pg-68

[process,] and the inability to go beyond the fences, significantly limited the use of those agents at many bases.   See footnote 145.

The 1969 ROE required advanced approval of the Ambassador for all "new weapons" introduced into Thailand.   See footnote 146.

U.S. Army - U.S. Navy & Marine Bases in Thailand

It is a very sad commentary that these branches of the military services have not provided any official documents that indicated the use of herbicides in Thailand at their (U.S. occupied) installations.     Therefore, we have had to resort to presenting photos that will show any reasonable person (a)   herbicide drums stored for use or recycled for other uses, eg, trash containers in the billeting areas of camps;   (b)   brown grass areas indicating the area was sprayed with herbicides so that no future vegetation would grow for many months, and under the tropical environment that is Thailand, with average rainfall very high -0- including the "Monsoon Season" with torrential rains, the commands could manage the on-going maintenance.
 
CITING LEGAL PRECEDENCE FOR DIRECT CAUSE CLAIMS OUTSIDE VIETNAM

FINDINGS OF FACT

2. Diabetes mellitus is related to the veteran's active service.

CONCLUSION OF LAW

Diabetes mellitus was incurred in service. 38 U.S.C.A. §§ 1110, 5102, 5103, 5103A (West 2002); 38 C.F.R. §§ 3.159, 3.303 (2004).

REASONS AND BASES FOR FINDINGS AND CONCLUSION

Analysis of Claim

[during] his personal hearing, the veteran alleged that he developed diabetes mellitus as a result of his exposure to herbicide agents while serving on active duty in Guam. His military occupational duties as an aircraft maintenance specialist allegedly required him to work in an air field, the perimeter of which was continuously brown due to herbicide spraying every three months. The veteran also alleges that he recalls seeing storage barrels at the edge of the base, which he now knows housed herbicides. Following discharge, Anderson Air Force base in Guam, where the veteran was stationed, underwent an environmental study, which showed a significant amount of dioxin contamination in the soil and prompted the federal government to order a clean up of the site.

Service connection may be granted for disability resulting from disease or injury incurred in or aggravated by service. 38 U.S.C.A. § 1110 (West 2002); 38 C.F.R. § 3.303 (2004). Service connection may also be granted for any disease diagnosed after discharge when all of the evidence, including that pertinent to service, establishes that the disease was incurred in service. 38 C.F.R. § 3.303(d).

[For] the showing of chronic disease in service there is required a combination of manifestations sufficient to identify the disease entity, and sufficient observation to establish chronicity at the time,

[When] the fact of chronicity in service is not adequately supported, then a showing of continuity after discharge is required to support the claim. 38 C.F.R. § 3.303(b).

In some circumstances, a disease associated with exposure to certain herbicide agents will be presumed to have been incurred in service even though there is no evidence of that disease during the period of service at issue. 38 U.S.C.A. § 1116(a) (West 2002); 38 C.F.R. §§ 3.307(a)(6), 3.309(e) (2004).

For the complete excerpt, please click here regarding "service-connection."

Veterans outside Vietnam, eg, Thailand
(Exposure to herbicide agents, eg, agent orange)
Filing Your Claim per Direct Cause
.. and not "presumptive exposure"

In the excerpt of the USAF CHECO Report above, you will see comments on the need for such herbicide defoliation because otherwise, it would be a significant problem.

Camp Sinthope Sarakham, ASA, CIA     809th Engineer Battalion Hqs in the Norheast
(Note the recycled durms around the buildings in the photo.)

Two photos from the 809th Motor Pool showing stored herbicide (striped) drums (1967):

HERBICIDE DRUMS .. THE ONES WITH THE STRIPES ON'EM

809th Engineer Battalion Motor Pool (1967)
HERBICIDE DRUMS .. THE ONES WITH THE STRIPES ON'EM

DOD denies all such use of herbicide agents
    in Thailand
except for the testing noted in a non-descript
article or report named
    Pre 65 DFL Spray Operations "RUN"
quote:
THAILAN SPRAYING OF HERBICIDE AGENTS
 REPRESENTATIVE OF JUNGLES IN SEA
DOD List for Spraying Herbicides
Outside of Vietnam
Note - conflict reported 11 Oct 07 by Franco
No action was ever taken to make the correction
to this list ...
    See Confrontation @ Whistle Blower
VA DOD List VA DOD List VA DOD List The government attempt to cover-up
    the use of Herbicides in Thailand
directly contradicts uncovered (and classified *
reports of its use by JUSMAG/Thai,
USAF CHECO Report; SAF Letter to Congressman
- written by a USAF Colonel, Legislation Liaison


* MAG/Thai 3 Dec 07 and USAF 21 Sep 07 (Extract Release Only**)
** Created 18 Feb 73 and to this day remains "SECRET"
SAF Inquiry was on 30 Jun 05

How much evidence does a veteran have to show???


Thailand (Exposed)

EIGHT KILOMETRES up the dusty road north out of Hua Hin in Thailand there is an airstrip called Bo Fai. During the invasion of Vietnam the Americans took it over. There they mixed together chemicals. Justa few -- Merphos, Dimethoate, Dicamba, Tordon, Endothal, Tributil Phosphate, Diquat, Triazophos, Butylated Hydroxy Toluene and of course those old favourites Benzene, 2-4D and 2-4-5T. Then from a variety of military planes they dropped them on the Vietnamese. They called it `Agent Orange'.

Between 1962, when Kennedy began his chemical bloodbath against the Vietnamese people, and 1975, when the Americans ran from the country, the US Air Force dropped 50 million litres of Agent Orange on Vietnam, according to the Pentagon.

And it is not over in Hua Hin. To get tourists to come to Hua Hin they need a proper airport, so in 1998 they started digging up Bo Fai. And guess what they found? The Americans had simply buried Agent Orange in barrels at the end of the runway. Of course Agent Orange, being what it is, had corroded its way out into the surrounding soil. Dioxin poisoning was everywhere.

At first no-one knew what to do. The Thai Government system is hugely corrupt, massively influenced by the ever-menacing hand of the military and often open to bribery due to their pitiful resources.

The IMF and the World Bank have openly encouraged Thailand to have `zero investment' in environmental protection and therefore encourage foreign capital. There is no way to prosecute anybody in Thailand for dioxin poisoning because there are no effective laws against it.

So back at Bo Fai the Government carried on as normal. They decided to dump it. Unfortunately for them, they dumped it on land owned by a relative of a local official, Khunnawut Orsuwan. Then they covered it over with asphalt. The Government is blaming the construction company and says it has `asked the local police to discuss the matter with the Hua Hin airport authority'.

Eventually the Government was forced to get the soil analyzed. By whom? The trusty US Environmental Protection Agency of course. But even the US Government had to admit to some kind of contamination. When the report was released the Thai Government astoundingly heralded it as a clean bill of health. `It (the dioxin) poses no threat,' chirped Sirithan Pairoj-Boriboon, the deputy secretary to the Ministry Of Science, whilst the Ministry's Chief Inspector Supavit Piamphongsant said it was `within acceptable levels'. These acceptable levels are 50 times above the standard set for dioxin contamination in the soil in the US, at 2.02 parts per billion. Liability is denied by the US Government and so far it has refused to comment. No doubt it hopes the controversy will just seep away.

[Source:   "Buried but alive: Agent Orange is still on active duty in Thailand" @ BNET]

    "TCDD is a persistent environmental toxin; it bioaccumulates, and it is extremely teratogenic (causes birth defects). In short, spraying Agent Orange in Vietnam * resulted in an environmental disaster which is still affecting people over three decades later."

[Source:   "Collateral damage: the toxic legacy of Agent Orange" @ The Next Hurrah]

* Could have been just as easy Thailand.

1965 Internal DOW Chemical Memo

Korat - Camp USARTHAI (1967)
Army Specialist Ron Renfro

HERBICIDE DRUMS .. THE ONES WITH THE STRIPES ON'EM

Notice walkway renovated (concrete) and drums painted white (1968)
HERBICIDE DRUMS .. THE ONES WITH THE STRIPES ON'EM

  "Brown Death" .. was all around us; in some cases
on us; .. in the air, our water, food .. death
Camp USARTHAI (US Army - Thailand)
CAMP USARTHAI, KORAT, THAILAND Camp Map (From side-to-side:   < 100 m)   Main Gate
"Country road; across the railroad tracks, into Korat ...
Camp USARTHAI/44 country road
- GOING TOWARD CAMP (ON RIGHT)   Camp USARTHAI/44 country road
- GOING TOWARD KORAT (ON LEFT)
Camp dismantled end of 1968
Perimeter Jungle     Living Quarters   (Messhall closed)
Camp USARTHAI - Korat (1967-68)
HOUSEGIRLS GOING HOME ACROSS THE CAMP USARTHAI PERIMETER (1067-68) Housegirls going home, taking a path on camp perimeter...  
CAMP PERIMETER ACCESS ROAD; EM CLUB AT CAMP USARTHAI (1967-68) Camp Perimeter Access Road
EM Club
Camp Movie Theater *
(* To the left, along the perimeter;
out of photo, but in the left photo)
Note the "brown death" grase ...
North Perimeter / Jungle outside
(Photo taken during closing/
dismantling the camp)
Note Perimeter Access Road;
note defense bunker
Tennis Court
A "stones through away"
from defense bunker
camp perimeter ...

"Brown Death" (Continued)
Camp Friendship - Korat (1967-68)
Our hospital:   31st Field Hospital - Korat (1968)

31ST FIELD HOSPITAL WHERE THE WOUNDED AND SICK STAYED...

Camp Friendship
Korat, Thailand

"We weren/t sprayed on,
we were emersed
in the shit!"
GO TO CAMP THEATRE AND BE EXPOSED COMING'N GOING...
"Enjoy a movie, be exposed..."

.. and, places we all ate at, the mess hall (Camp Friendship - 1968) CAMP MESS HALL -- WHERE EVERYONE ATE FOOD, WATER, ETC.
Camp USARTHAI
Korat, Thailand
re:   Camp Space Management
Latrines placed in perimeter space
Note:   in photo jungle beyond the wire (and position of access road)
Housegirls' washing machines beyond camp defense bunkers
and in the camp perimeter, ie, herbicides. CAMP AREA UNKNOWN AT CAMP FRIENDSHIP (1967-68)
9th Logistics Command
Pre-1967
1967
Outdoor Theatre

Note:   cloud shadow in foreground, not "green" - palms only "green."     And, green in b&w photos looks dark (coloration/contrast); while (dead) brown looks grey.     See 9th Log photo above, right.     Camp USARTHAI trails photo in the deadly grounds; Singha Cinema camp theatre (in perimeter)

"Brown Death" (Continued)
Camp Friendship - Korat (1967-68)
Photo Credits:   Army Specialist Mark Olson
CAMP AREA UNKNOWN AT CAMP FRIENDSHIP (1967-68)
"We weren't sprayed on, we were emersed in the shit!"
CAMP AREA UNKNOWN AT CAMP FRIENDSHIP (1967-68)
Mark Olson, Camp Plumber with Thai Nationals Assistants

"Brown Death" (Continued)
Camp Friendship - Korat (1967-68)
Army Specialist John Strain, 697th Engineers
S-4 PERIMETER FENCE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT CAMP FRIENDSHIP (1967-68)  

    This photo is of the S-4 Yard Camp Friendship, I worked there for over a month putting a fence around perimeter, welding the fence to the post, some of the time you were on your hands an knees and there was not anything growing in that yard, not even a weed!

John

.. all around was unnatural earth, sprayed with herbicides
to control vegetation growth as well as for security
S-4 PERIMETER FENCE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT CAMP FRIENDSHIP (1967-68)  

    Left to right Ramey, Fugil, Brown and McReynolds I took the photo and remember it well, it was dirty,dusty and no grass or shade! I can remember the Thai worker at Camp USARTHAI spraying the ditch where the concertina wire was located so they wouldn't have to pull or mow the grass and remember them running the mosquito fogger a couple times a week between the hootches and around the Mess hall to kill the insects etc. sure wish I had taken pictures of all those activities.


Deployment to Satahip

In early 1969 after closing Camp USARTHAI and living at Camp Friendship for a few months, the 697th moved to Satahip and Camp Samae San to help finish construction of the camp structures and pipe.     The U.S. Army Engineers was the backbone of construction.

As a member of the advance party, taking my motorcycle and wife, we took the under construction "Bangkok Bypass," covered with "red dirt" in Satahip.   - SP/5 Frank Picchione

"Brown Death" (Continued)
Camp Friendship - Korat (1967-68)
BILLETING PATIO UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT CAMP FRIENDSHIP (1967-68) Constructing a Patio Area in Camp Billeting Area  
MEDICAL DISPENSARY AT CAMP FRIENDSHIP SURROUNDED BY BROWN DEATH(1967-68) U.S. Army Medical Dispensary
Camp Friendship
.. surrounded by "brown death"

"Brown Death" (Continued)
Camp Samae San - Satahip (1969)
Army Specialist Danny Hippensteel
ARMY SPECIALIST DANNY HIPPENSTEEL AT CAMP SAMAE SAN (SATAHIP) IN 1969  

A few words about
camp access roads ...


    Whether an army camp,
or an air base,   the access road
is for "quick access"
to defense responses,
and always associated
with the camp perimeter;
as is the "fall back" bunkers
taking up defense positions

Perimeter Barriers

Concentina Wire
and/or fencing
is generally used.
.. "Friendship Highway"
BANGKOK BYPASS BETWEEN SATAHIP AND KORAT
- Members of the 538th Engr Bn   Year:   unknown; est. 1967 FRIENDSHIP HIGHWAY BYPASS (BANGKOK) 
  - MEMBERS OF THE 538TH ENGINEER BATTALION; YEAR UNKNOWN EST 1967


Monsoon Season'63
When the camp flooded, those deadly toxins
with an estimated life of 3 years (short)
moved; move all over the place!
WATER CONTAMINATION AND CAMP/PERIMETER SPRAYING

WATER CONTAMINATION AND CAMP/PERIMETER SPRAYING


The DOD/VA/government National Disgrace ...
See last page for details.     Now, NKP ...
DRUM RECYCLED AND USED NEXT TO A HOOTCH
The "lone drum" (with a stripe no less)
sitting outside a tent or hootch in Nakon Phanom (NKP)

Year:   est. 1967

But, we did not spray in Thailand (near U.S. personnel.)     No, we sprayed on'em!!!

Now, that we have exposed the "Secret" USAF CHECO Report

@ "Base Defense in Thailand,"
we know these photos
of air force billeting at [fill in the blank]
"U.S. occupried installation"
exposed the personnel to herbicides - big time!
NKP (1966) Main Base Area     NKP (1966) Hootch Area

Nakhon Phanom RTAFB - 1966


Herbicide Drums tell no lie .. exist?   See photo(s).
Drums at Kanchanaburi, Thailand

Camp Foster (1968) @ "Bridge over the River Kwai" HERBICIDE DRUMS IN THE MOTOR POOL
  AND NEXT TO THE CAMP SIGN (RECYCLED)
".. [not] near U.S. personnel" - ESG/U.S. Army


Besides Herbicides, many petrol (POL) products
shipped in 55-gallon drums, but only herbicides
had color-coded stripes indicating the agent type ...

POL PRODUCTS FOR VEHICLE MAINTENANCE ALSO SHIPPED IN 55-GALLON DRUMS
.. no stripes   (POL for vehicle maintenance) POL PRODUCTS FOR VEHICLE MAINTENANCE ALSO SHIPPED IN 55-GALLON DRUMS





Motor Pool Area
Vehicle
Maintenance
POL Drums


Agent [Stripe Color] Drums - Herbicides
HERBICIDE DRUMS .. THE ONES WITH THE STRIPES ON'EM


Characteristics of a Herbicide Drum
"Agent Orange," like all the other agents,
got its name from the large stripe painted
around the middle of the drum it was contained in.
HERBICIDE DRUMS .. THE ONES WITH THE STRIPES ON'EM
Drums at Kanchanaburi, Thailand PETROL (POL) DRUMS EXCEPT ONE ..

Agent (Striped) Drums
AGENT ORANGE, PURPLE, AND WHITE

Petrol (POL) Drums

.. except one (left in photo)
Agent Drum has tell-tale stripe
and note the end of the drum
characteristically painted too.

 
ORANGE AEROSOL DISCOVERED

Meanwhile, the military continued to learn just how toxic Agent Orange could be. On October 23, 1969, an urgent message was sent from Fort Detrick, Maryland, to MACV concerning cleaning of drums containing herbicides. The message provided detailed instructions on how to clean the drums and warned that it was particularly important to clean Agent Orange drums.

"Using the (Agent) Orange drums for storing petroleum products without thoroughly cleaning of them can result in creation of an orange aerosol when the contaminated petroleum products are consumed in internal combustion engines. The Orange aerosol thus generated can be most devastating to vegetation in the vicinity of engines. Some critics claim that some of the damage to vegetation along Saigon streets can be attributed to this source. White and Blue residues are less of a problem in this regard since they are not volatile."

Not only was Agent Orange being sprayed from aircraft, but it was unwittingly being sprayed out of the exhausts of trucks, jeeps and gasoline generators.

In March 1969, Lt. Col. Jim Corey, deputy chief of CORDS in I Corps reported to his boss, R.M. Urquhart, unusual defoliation in Da Nang.

"A large number of beautiful shade trees along the streets in the city of Da Nang are dead or dying," Corey wrote. "This damage appears to be entirely a result of defoliation chemicals."     There was no evidence of insect or fungus damage to the vegetation, according to the memo.     "In every instance of tree and garden plot damage," Corey wrote, "empty defoliant barrels are either present in the area or have been transported along the route of the damage."     The use of herbicides was not confined to the jungles. It was widely used to suppress vegetation around the perimeters of military bases and, in many instances, the interiors of those bases.

WATER CONTAMINATION AND CAMP/PERIMETER SPRAYING Editorial:    It is important to recognize the "contamination factor" in that recycled drums, and the "aerosol factor" either indirectly or directly in manual (on-the-ground) spraying of herbicides "on or around" U.S. occupied (military) installations can affect all U.S. personnel at such sites.     Now, another common way such (sprayed) herbicides can be inadvertenly exposed to is flooding of such installations either in the common rains and seasonal monsoon rains.     Spraying an area, such as the perimeter, or other sites on base can contaiminate many things beyond the control of those administering same.     And, drums were reused...

See "Related Question," below.


Myth:   "There were no 55-gallon drums.
They were barrels."     Wrong.

Barrels 101     Barrels had vertical, narrow ribs and a "lid" and grip handles on the two sides.     55-gallon drums had two large horizontal ribs that were perfect for agent color-coded drums in the middle area.

Illustrations:   Standard Barrel     Trash Barrel   (Painted)     POL Drums (Black):   Motor Pool   Upright

Question:   Why were the barrels later replaced with drums .. noted by the walkway changes?

You have to wonder why our barrels were replaced with 55-gallon drums, at a later time based upon the walkway improvements, ie, concrete fill.     Could it be that Hq had a need for standard barrels versus 55-gallon drums.     Only the folks involved know, and no one is talking.
 
WATER CONTAMINATION AND CAMP/PERIMETER SPRAYING Related Question:   Why were the hootches, and other structures, eg, mess hall, raised?     Periodic flooding.

Thailand as a part of Southeast Asia had a "rainy season" called "Monsoons."     In this period, normally in the Summer months, there would be flooding, and the engineers knew this and created a raised foundation.     Saved a lot of structure furnishings (and soldier boots.)

WATER CONTAMINATION AND CAMP/PERIMETER SPRAYING An interesting point was brought up regarding (conceded) herbicide spraying "around" a base or camp, ie, perimeter.     It seems that two VAROs conceded the use on the perimeters, and granted (only) security personnel that "stepped foot on the perimeter," well, they didn't and they did.     They were certainly exposed to the spraying area, and took up defense positions in proximity of the sprayed perimeter areas.

For sure, these same VAROs would have to concede that these toxins had a life expectancy of greater than 1 or 3 years; therefore, would be subject to flooding conditions, and the natural process of spreading in the immediate area.     JUSMAG policy states "on or around" and not just around, though, for approved herbicide (use) spraying.

 


What does "Brown Death" look like
from the air?   .. brown.
Vietnam
Thailand
AN KHE, VIETNAM (CENTRAL HIGHLANDS) An Khe
Qui Nhon to An Khe
PLEIKU, VIETNAM (CENTRAL HIGHLANDS) Pleiku *
CAMP FRIENDSHIP - KORAT 19?? Korat Complex (1964**)
Air Base (Later)
NAKHON PHANOM RTAFB - NKP 1973 NKP (1972)
Built by Naval SeaBeas
* As you can see, Pleiku base was located in a dangerous combat area; therefore "Heavy Brown" treatment !
** 2LT Mac Alan Thompson, USA, retired in Thailand credit for photo.   See story in "Thailand (Exposed)"

 
CAMP FRIENDSHIP - KORAT 19??
  Photo Credit:   2LT Mac Alan Thompson, USA CE
525th Engr Det (Util) & HHC 44th Engr Gp
Camp Friendship (Feb '64 - Feb '65)

"I took it while climbing up to altitude for a skydive at Korat spring of 1964.   Easy to approximate date the photos as I was a 2nd LT Engr with the 525th Engr Detch (Utility) & 44th Engr Gp (Const) HHC.   I was there Feb '64-Feb '65.   First jump was on 9 May 1964.   The photo was taken prior to August 1964 since that's when the USAF arrived in mass and construction started in that large empty space between Camp Friendship and the runway."     Recent photo of LT with his Thai wife, Sunee, at a Thai military gathering, RTA SGU party 9 Apr 05.     Bio

Some of LT Thompson's other duties included supervision of payrolls for Thai local nationals in the Korat area.

The road from Korat; Camp USARTHAI to Korat RTAFB and the perimeter access road around the flightline.
The same road that the public bus transportation * takes;   exposed?   .. right.     Camp Friendship first;   RTAFB second.
* Photo taken at the Camp USARTHAI gate, heading for Korat RTAFB   (Note photo taken later after construction;   spraying.)
Perspective:   Camp USARTHAI gate, looking towards Korat; note the "vegetation" on the right. **
** Yes, that's the camp perimeter to the left (of the samlor,) .. gee, I feel like a security guard already .. you know, exposed!

Korat Complex (Camp USARTHAI is not shown)
Camp Friendship (Close Up) (1964) - Korat     Army / Navy forces established a beachhead.
 
NAKHON PHANOM RTAFB - NKP 1973
1962
U.S. Naval Mobile Construction Battalion Three   (MCB 3)

Aerial   (1997)
  and
Perimeter Road

See (FAQ)
Brown Death - Grass 101

Barracks Area

NKP - Nakhon Phanom RTAFB (1972)

Here is an illustration of the type of rain conditions (monsoons) encountered in S.E.A.

1962 - Aerial Photos of construction by the Navy:   Dec '62     #1     #2

Quoting the U.S. Naval Mobile Construction Battalion Three (MCB 3) website:

"We were only approximately three weeks from finishing the entire job when the monsoon rains started. They were several weeks early that year. Because of the rain, we could not finish the airstrip at this time.

A decision was made that everyone would return to homeport in Port Hueneme, California while the rains were coming down, except for a detachment of 35 Seabees who would remain in NKP. The detachment OIC was Ltjg. George E. Fowler and the mission was to maintain drainage at the airfield site, maintain the construction equipment and make sure that it would be ready to go back to work when the rains stopped, and to tear down a portion of the base camp that would not be required in November when everyone returned to finish the work."

First Flight Crews Arrive at NKP
36 ARsq (we were the Air Rescue Service/Squadron in those days)

I remember the living and operating conditions best. We had always had support units which provided meals, quarters and specialized maintenance. NKP was, when we arrived, just a PSP runway.

There were three tin roofed huts and an outhouse, which the SeaBees left when they built the runway. Someone had dumped some cases of C rations, some bunks and 55 gal drums of JP-4 on the ramp. We were on our own for everything else.

Shortly after we arrived, two communications NCOs were sent to set up a mobile radio station. This was our only link to the rest of the world. All traffic had to be manually coded and decoded, so we learned to use words sparingly. Operational control was provided by the Command Post at Saigon. Administrative support was provided from Bangkok.

No one in the unit had any combat experience [from WWII or the Korean War], nor did we receive any briefing on what to expect. We did a lot of guessing and hoped the bad guys were as dumb as we were. Fortunately, we had no rescue missions while I was there.

We did, however, make some modifications to the aircraft. Much of the area we were to cover was at the maximum range of the HH-43 and at high altitude. We removed all doors for weight and carried 2 - 55 gal drums of JP-4 in a wood rack in the cabin. I believe we intended to land and hand pump the fuel into the aircraft tank. We also traded for two BAR's which we mounted on ropes firing aft from the cabin.

In the meantime the Air America pilots told us to do something with the 43 paint job. We had been deployed into a combat situation with silver and day-glo orange paint.

(Another indication a lot of people, including our unit, was really not aware of what we were getting into). Air America gave me 5 gallons of OD (olive drab) paint and some brushes. We at least got rid of the day-glo.

After assembling the 43s and test flying them we took off on a dark night, with virtually no aids other than a compass, across the jungle, low level, for NKP. While we were assembling the 43s in Udorn a 2nd MOB (communications) had arrived at NKP. They had a vehicle with a rotating beacon on top. This we used as guidance as we neared NKP. With our arrival "Rescue 2" was born.
 
It readily became apparent that we were ill prepared for combat operations; the day-glo paint was only the beginning. We developed flying tactics consisting of flying two 43s in formation, in clouds as much as possible to reduce visual contact by ground forces. Perhaps one of the best known early problems was the hoist cable length of 100 ft. In a jungle of 300 ft. trees the hoist was useless.

The first few days we spent living under an open shed. We then took over a couple of the former SeaBee's metal buildings which had been Thai occupied. One we used for officer barracks, the other for enlisted. A field kitchen was sent in after weeks of C rations.

After some time of this type of living we were able to contract for quarters in NKP. The quarters were known as The Civilized Motel and were not much of an improvement but at least it had running water and no, or at least fewer, snakes and scorpions. It was later learned that the motel was supposedly operated by North Vietnamese VC sympathizers.

Forward to 1968 - I (Morse) clearly recall the attitude of a number of the troops about NKP. Not too complimentary, but it sure beat 1964! The PSP runway was still there when I arrived in June 1968 but was replaced during the dry season. No big deal for the Jollys, but the others appreciated the change.

 

Addition:   Paper on the perspective @ NKP
By Phil Carroll, a Security Police Sentry Dog Handler’s Perspective

Excerpt:

The point of all this history, at least for this little essay, is there was ample reason for the heavy security at NKP. There was good reason for the Security Police and K-9 guards there to be just a little on edge. Many, including the Captain quoted above, believe that the reason we weren’t attacked more often was our obvious, in-depth defensive system. We had:


  • a deep, totally herbicide-denuded perimeter with barbed wire fence, triple concertina razor wire, tanglefoot, electronic pressure sensors, mines, more concertina, more barbed wire, and bright, directional perimeter lighting;
  • a series of high guard towers all around the perimeter;
  • machine-gun bunkers backing up the towers;
  • numerous security posts manned by the 300-man combat-trained Security Police Squadron with M-16s and M-60s;
  • nighttime K-9 patrols by 65 sentry dogs and handlers (call sign “Nightfighter”), each with a CAR-15 and 10 magazines of 5.56;
  • six to eight patrol dogs and handlers, similarly armed;
  • 81 mm mortar teams, with pre-registered coordinates all over the base for flare missions;
  • roving machine-gun armed truck patrols;
  • M113A1 “Track” Heavy Weapons Teams;
  • XM706E2 “Commando” armored car Quick Reaction Forces pre positioned and on call;
  • an H-3 “Knife” helicopter patrol, all night every night, ready to probe the jungle outside the wire with an intensely bright searchlight;
  • AC-119 “Stinger” gunship flare missions around the perimeter whenever the intelligence guys asked for it, or in response to an alert by one of the security or K-9 posts;
  • A-1 Skyraider fighter/bombers, AC-119 Stinger gunships, well-armed OV-10 Broncos and CH-53 Super Jolly Green Giant helicopters that could get guns into the air as quickly as needed.

 
    Ubon RTAFB    "Brown Death" @ Runway -   #1     #2     #3     #4     #5   C-5A
    Thai Local Nationals -   #1     #2     Outside Perimeter       Airmen -   #1     #2

See NKP Witness Testimony found in FAQ page

Here is the quoted excerpt of the email from Paster Terry Hagendorn, WV:

C.   My barracks was on the base perimeter (cf. the attached aerial photo of NKP RTAFB).     I witnessed Thai women spraying the jungle growth directly across the perimeter fence on at least three times, during my tour at NKP. They kept a 100 meter area of the ground out side the fence completely bare to the ground.

The first time I saw the people in the perimeter, I was surprised and a little scared. I didn’t think that anyone should be in there. Frankly, I thought that they might be insurgents.

I asked “Kop”,, our hootch “houseboy”

“Who are they?”

He said proudly, “My wife.”

I asked, “What are they doing?”

He said, “Kill grass.”

There were five or six women. Each had a two tank backpack-type sprayer with a hand sprayer. The tanks were translucent white plastic. They were supplied by a man in a small white pickup with two drab green barrels of herbicide. Each woman wore heavy clothing covering their arms and legs. Each had a scarf tied around her face like a mask and each a straw hat tied closely down over their heads with a scarf. The women were saturated with spray on the front of their clothes by spray back caused by the wind. I remember that one woman had an infant bundled in a baby blanket which she tied around her neck and carried the baby slung in the front. I saw that small children had been left on a blanket under a tree in the area already cleared. They were sleeping or playing.

D.   My claims of the spraying herbicides—including Agent Orange—are corroborated by the following:

Airman Wayne Hogstad,   NKP RTAB   (1967-68)


    “I was stationed at Nakhon Phanom (NKP) Royal Thai Air Force Base from April 1967 to April 1968 and was assigned to the 56th Security Police Squadron working 2230 to 0700.     While at NKP, I witnessed a C-123 Caribou Aircraft with spray equipment mounted under their wings, and also a big tank used for holding a liquid substance.     Next to the C-123 were barrels with an orange strip around the middle of the barrel all the way around.    Once, during the day shift, I rode with a mobile unit Security Alert Team around the NKP bases perimeters.     On the east perimeter * we saw a Civil Engineering truck with a gas engine powered sprayer in use.     The crew told us that they were spraying foliage growing in the perimeter fences.”

Illustration Purposes Only:   Perimeter   (Air Force * Barracks and Access Rd)

* Base unknown, but it ain't army, facilities are too nice.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: TKH 
To: Franco Picchione 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: AIRMAN WINTESSES AO SPRAYING AT NKP

Frank,

Here are some pictures showing the location of Camp Tarbox 
(named for 6908th's first commander) and the location of my hootch.
 
Terry

Aerial Photos @ Camp Tarbox ** at NKP:   Zoomed In @ Hootch     Wide Angle
    .. Mekong   (18 km)

** Camp Tarbox is on the east perimeter.


U-Tapao???     Answer: No
B-52 W/MECHANICAL TROUBLE @ CAM RHAN BAY, VIETNAM

Photo Narrative:     This photo, taken at Cam Ranh Bay, shows a B-52 and a commercial Boeing 707 on the East ramp. The B-52s didn't normally land at Cam Ranh unless they had maintenance problems and couldn't make it back half way across the Pacific to their home base.   [at Anderson AFB, Guam, or back to U-Tapao RTAFB, Thailand.]
Source:   C-7A Caribou Association

The purpose of having a sheet for this photo is the "drums."     Notice the use of drums to create, may be, flight line/taxi-way borders so as not to go into the sands.     They have been painted in yellow (for caution) and of course, they are (more importantly) the same (exact) size.     Background:   Phu Cat Air Base is just north of Qui Nhon on the coast.     See Map (red asterisk)

Phu Cat - Chartered Commercial   .. including Flying Tigers   (DC-8)
CONTINENTAL AIRLINES - CARGO VERSION AT PHU CAT, VIETNAM

This Continental Boeing 707,
a cargo version,
was offloading at Phu Cat.

Source:   C-7A Caribou Association

CONTINENTAL AIRLINES - CARGO VERSION AT PHU CAT, VIETNAM

An Airlift Boeing 707
"Freedom Bird" at Phu Cat.

Source:   C-7A Caribou Association


Jungle Vegetation 101
Excellent orientation for VARO staffers
44TH ENGR PROJECT @ KORAT RTAFB PERIMETER

44TH ENGR PROJECT @ KORAT RTAFB POL TANK FARM FENCE



Support our troops!
Agent Orange/Herbicides -
.. on or around .. U.S. occupied installations
    The Policy of the     U.S. Embassy (Bangkok, Thailand,)
in coordination with the military liason of JUSMAGTHAI.
Policy Memo @ "Base Defense in Thailand"   (Declassified 3 Dec 2007)   Classied Secret
Contradiction???   Or, cover-up? SHOP BY
The ESG (United States Army & Joint Services
Environmental Support Group * ) research indicated that
Hootch Row .. where U.S. personnel lived... "herbicides were not sprayed
near U.S. personnel in Thailand. "

* In a letter from the Director @ ESG ..

.. sure, the 55-gallon trash drums  
are simply coincidental ...  
* drums can be painted.     (with or without stripe *)  

Thailand Veterans disability claims
denied @ DOD List
in the Veterans Appeals Court

Spraying (Allegations) at NKP ..         See USAF CHECO Report TOC.

"[His] first allegation is that he was directly exposed to Agent Orange - that operations into Laos and/or Vietnam were conducted from NKP, that Agent Orange was sprayed at NKP, and/or that spraying in Laos along the Ho Chi Minh trail exposed him to Agent Orange.

VA AO Newsletter (July, 2006) [However,] the Department of Defense has issued a list of Agent Orange test programs outside of Vietnam that includes tests in Thailand from 1964-1965 and herbicide operations, to include Agent Orange, in Laos from December 1965 through June 1967.     Please see January 2003 letter from the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs to Dr. Susan Mather, with attached documents.         Particularly relevant here is the documentation of spraying in Laos, but the records require further review to determine the actual cities of the herbicide operations and their geographic proximity to NKP.     These past herbicide operations are precisely the type of incidents that can be verified by historical records.   Under M21-1, Part VI, 7.20b(3):   [deleted]
SEEK AN ATTORNEY TO WORK WITH ON YOUR DISABILITY CLAIM AGAINST THE VA
"This claim must be afforded expeditious treatment."

- Remanded/Denied

The year was 2005, the claimant obviously waited several more years to have his "day in court,"   and because the (required) evidence is not yet declassified, the V.A. is not accountable.
 
The Unaccountable VA Party Line     The RO attempted to verify any exposure to herbicide agents, including Agent Orange, that the veteran may have had. Significantly, in a letter from the Director, United States Army & Joint Services Environmental Support Group (ESG), dated in February 1993, the RO was informed that a review of available unit histories did not reveal the veteran’s involvement with the use of Agent Orange in Thailand during 1968/1969.     The ESG research indicated that herbicides were not sprayed near U.S. personnel in Thailand.     Further, herbicides were only sprayed in Thailand for test purposes in the early and mid 1960’s in remote jungle areas.     There was also no record of the veteran’s involvement in Operation Ranch Hand, the aerial spraying of the herbicide by U.S. personnel.
HERBICIDE DRUMS .. THE ONES WITH THE STRIPES ON'EM
U.S. Army
Camp
Ruam Chit Chai
U.S. Personnel

Source Claim:   9716718
(Remanded)   AMC *

* The Appeals Management Center function is to expedite remanded claims which under the circumstances seems like a contradiction .. the V.A. "black hole" .. never to be seen or heard from again.

     
 

The RO attempted to verify any exposure to herbicide agents, including Agent Orange, that the veteran may have had. Significantly, in a letter from the Director, United States Army & Joint Services Environmental Support Group (ESG), dated in February 1993, the RO was informed that a review of available unit histories did not reveal the veteran’s involvement with the use of Agent Orange in Thailand during 1968/1969.     The ESG research indicated that herbicides were not sprayed near U.S. personnel in Thailand.     Further, herbicides were only sprayed in Thailand for test purposes in the early and mid 1960’s

VA DOD List VA DOD List VA DOD List
VA Agent Orange Newsletter
    "[requested] DOD to provide the most current compilation of locations and dates where DOD used herbicide agents, including Agent Orange, as well as locations and dates where DOD personnel were likely exposed to these agents.     This information may be important in evaluating the merits of many veterans' disability claims."
NOTICE FAX'D TO DOD FOR LIST INCLUSION DOD Fax     Word Doc (38K)     VA Site Official DOD List     DOD Involvement:   Yes
HERBICIDE DRUMS .. THE ONES WITH THE STRIPES ON'EM


U.S. Army
Camp
Ruam Chit Chai
U.S. Personnel

"[not] near U.S. personnel" - U.S. Army / ESG   .. in 1964-65

Thailand (1966-67-68-69 and '63)

HERBICIDE DRUMS .. THE ONES WITH THE STRIPES ON'EM     HERBICIDE DRUMS .. THE ONES WITH THE STRIPES ON'EM     HERBICIDE DRUMS .. THE ONES WITH THE STRIPES ON'EM     HERBICIDE DRUMS .. THE ONES WITH THE STRIPES ON'EM

31ST FIELD HOSPITAL WHERE THE WOUNDED AND SICK STAYED...     CAMP MESS HALL -- WHERE EVERYONE ATE FOOD, WATER, ETC.     ARMY SPECIALIST DANNY HIPPENSTEEL AT CAMP SAMAE SAN (SATAHIP) IN 1969     FRIENDSHIP HIGHWAY BYPASS (BANGKOK) 
  - MEMBERS OF THE 538TH ENGINEER BATTALION; YEAR UNKNOWN EST 1967

WATER CONTAMINATION AND CAMP/PERIMETER SPRAYING     WATER CONTAMINATION AND CAMP/PERIMETER SPRAYING     NKP (1966) Main Base Area     NKP (1966) Hootch Area

Drums at Kanchanaburi, Thailand     HERBICIDE DRUMS IN THE MOTOR POOL
  AND NEXT TO THE CAMP SIGN (RECYCLED)     CAMP FRIENDSHIP - KORAT 19??     NAKHON PHANOM RTAFB - NKP 1973

[However,] the Department of Defense has issued a list of Agent Orange test programs outside of Vietnam that includes tests in Thailand from 1964-1965 and herbicide operations, to include Agent Orange, in Laos from December 1965 through June 1967.     Please see January 2003 letter from the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs to Dr. Susan Mather, with attached documents.         Particularly relevant here is the documentation of spraying in Laos, but the records require further review to determine the actual cities of the herbicide operations and their geographic proximity to NKP.     These past herbicide operations are precisely the type of incidents that can be verified by historical records.   Under M21-1, Part VI, 7.20b(3):   [deleted]

 

Groups decry
  DoD ‘betrayal’ of vets


By Kelly Kennedy - Staff writer  
Posted :   Friday   Aug 29, 2008   16:09:27 EDT Article Published Online     Key excerpts only.

    In a letter going out to members of Congress next week, the directors of two major veterans’ groups say the Pentagon’s personnel chief has intentionally withheld benefits from wounded service members.

    “We need your immediate assistance to help end the Defense Department’s deliberate, systemic betrayal of every brave American who [dons] the uniform and stands in harm’s way,”

deliberate manipulation of the law”

    Chu sent out a memorandum in March redefining which injuries qualify as “combat-related.”

    The definition is important because Section 1646 of the 2008 Defense Authorization Act said service members with combat-related disabilities no longer must pay back any disability retirement severance they receive from the Defense Department before they become eligible for disability compensation from the Department of Veterans Affairs, as has been the case under longstanding policy.

    Baker said this leaves many veterans who may not be able to work in a quagmire o f debt.     DAV and IAVA think no veteran should have to pay back money he or she earned before becoming eligible for VA benefits,

    In June, Defense Department spokeswoman Eileen Lainez told Military Times that Chu did not remake the definition to save money, as Baker has charged.

    “Saving money was not the driver in the implementation,” she said in an e-mail. “The statutory intent of [the law] clearly and appropriately focuses the ‘enhanced disability severance’ to those service members where the unfitting condition is a result of direct participation and participation of duty in the war effort.”

    But three lawmakers have told Military Times that their interpretation puts Baker in the right and Chu in the wrong — that they expected the Defense Department to adopt the existing definition used for the CRSC program.

    “The Department of Defense appears to be interpreting this law in the most narrow and tightfisted way possible,” said Rep. Timothy Walz, D-Minn., a House Veterans Affairs Committee member.   “I am disappointed that [the department] is implementing this policy in a way that makes as few veterans as possible eligible for the benefit.”

    But Baker, and the authors of the new letter, continue to insist that congressional intent was not to make a special distinction that leaves out service members hurt in activities defined as “combat related” under other programs.

    “The law defines such disabilities as those caused by armed conflict, instrumentalities of war, hazardous service and conditions simulating war,” Gorman and Rieckhoff wrote.     “The [Defense Authorization Act] did not change these definitions; in fact, it reinforced them, and it added disabilities incurred ‘in the line of duty in a combat zone.’ ”

    The letter states that Chu “lacks the authority to change the will of Congress.”

    “The list of cases like this is reprehensible and growing every day,” Gorman and Rieckhoff wrote in their letter.     “Moreover, if cases like these are ruled not combat-related, then one can only imagine how many other less obvious cases are suffering the same fate.”

    They asked Congress to look into how many cases have been ruled not combat-related under Chu’s memo and have them reviewed by a group independent of the Pentagon.

    “Congress should then take immediate action to ensure DoD upholds the plain and unambiguous language of the law,” they wrote.     “Most of these service members have no representation in the military disability evaluation system and are therefore unaware of the benefits stolen from them — they are depending on you.”

Hi-Lights of the Excerpt
Interpretting the law ..   "lack of authority"
  deliberate manipulation of the law”
  remake the definition to save money
  “Saving money was not the driver
in the implementation,” - DOD spokewoman
Conclusion:  
“The Department of Defense appears to be interpreting this law in the most narrow and tightfisted way possible,” said Rep. Timothy Walz, D-Minn., a House Veterans Affairs Committee member.   “I am disappointed that [the department] is implementing this policy in a way that makes as few veterans as possible eligible for the benefit.”
CONFUSED WITH OUR PRICES, SERVICES, WHAT WE DO
Sound Familiar?   .. it should.
See Admission of Herbicides Use
@ Adjudications
 
VARO/Waco/St Petersburg

Here, take a look at the awards and the narrowing of scope that even fooled the lawyers, ie, Bluewater Navy.
USAF Admission to use of Herbicides in Thailand
..THEN ATTEMPT TO NARROW THE SCOPE OF ELIGIBLE VETERANS [Click on image for larger version.]   Yes, original out of focus.
- VARO/Waco Decision
Source:   Admission of Use of Herbicides

"[reasonable] doubt .."   .. not quite a full admission. Reason for Decision - VARO/St. Petersburg Decision *     Source:   Case Review   * Initially denied.

Unlawful/Abuse of Authority:   Both awards in defining a limiting scope ** of "What defines exposure to herbicides [on] a U.S. occupied installation
[in] Thailand."
    Furthermore, implying a scope of the spraying limited ** to the installation perimeter; dates.     That isn't what JUSMAG (Thailand) and SAF say.
See JUSMAGTHAI Policy Memo @ "on or around" and SAF Letter @ Congressman
** There is no legal foundation or authority; scientific basis, including expertise.